80: Astrology For Empowerment - Unlock Your Strengths & Creativity

Episode 80: Astrology for Empowerment – Unlock Your Strengths and Creativity with Pat Dumas | Mind Body Detox Podcast

In Episode 80 of the Mind Body Detox Podcast, host Kara Lovehart—Mind-Body Psychic Medium and Executive Intuitive Business Coach—engages in a deep conversation with astrologer Pat Dumas. Together, they explore how astrology can be used as a powerful tool for self-empowerment, creativity, and growth. Pat shares her insights into using astrology in personal and organizational settings, allowing individuals to better understand their strengths, and weaknesses, and how to navigate life's unfolding story.

Key Episode Highlights:

💫 Astrology for Empowerment – Learn how astrology can help you discover your strengths, creativity, and navigate life more confidently.

💫 Understanding Transits – Discover how life’s transits reflect the story of your life and how to use this awareness to make empowered choices.

💫 Astrology in the Workplace – Explore how astrology can be applied to improve collaboration and self-awareness in organizational settings, enhancing teamwork and communication.

💫 Self-Awareness and Discernment – Pat discusses how astrology should not dictate your fate, but rather serve as a tool to understand yourself better and take charge of your destiny. Whether you're rich or poor, your chart is the same—the key lies in self-awareness and personal discernment.

💫 Practical Tips for Empowerment – Get actionable advice on using astrology for personal growth, without giving away your power to the stars.

In this episode, Kara and Pat emphasize the importance of using astrology as a guide for self-awareness, creativity, and empowerment, rather than as a fixed script. They explore the idea that while astrology offers insight, it’s the personal decisions and actions you take that define your journey.

About Pat Dumas:

Pat Dumas is an experienced astrologer who focuses on using astrology as a tool for self-awareness, empowerment, and creativity. Her work as an astrology educator integrates astrology with personal growth, helping individuals unlock their full potential by better understanding their astrological charts and life cycles.

👉 Explore More with Pat Dumas:

• Website
• Pat's Online Astrology Courses

Transcript

Episode 80: Astrology for Empowerment - Unlock Your Strengths & Creativity

In this episode of the Mind Body Detox Podcast, Kara Lovehart and intuitive astrologer Pat Dumas dive deep into the power of astrology for self-awareness, personal growth, and empowerment. Pat shares her expertise from over 55 years of reading astrology and tarot, discussing how astrology provides a blueprint for understanding yourself and your life’s purpose. They explore various types of astrology, including natal, predictive, and evolutionary astrology, and how it can help you navigate life’s challenges and opportunities.

Topics Covered:

• Understanding your natal chart
• The role of astrology in personal growth and self-awareness
• Using astrology for career guidance and life purpose
• Practical examples of astrology empowering individuals

Tune in to discover how astrology can unlock clarity, empower decision-making, and guide you toward a more aligned life!

 
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 This is the MindBodyDetox podcast,
 
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 where we discuss all things
 
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 integrative health and wellness,
 
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 interviewing folks from all
 
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 over the world,
 
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 sharing insights and wisdom
 
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 for how to live a healthier life in mind,
 
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 body, and spirit.
 
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 Welcome back, everyone,
 
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 to the MindBodyDetox podcast.
 
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 I'm your host, Mind Body Medium,
 
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 Kara Lovehart,
 
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 and we're going to be
 
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 bringing back Pat Dumas
 
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 onto our show today.
 
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 So if you have not listened
 
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 to our previous episodes with Pat,
 
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 she is an intuitive reader and teacher,
 
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 and she uses several
 
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 modalities in her work,
 
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 including astrology and the tarot.
 
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 And Pat's been reading for
 
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 over fifty five years.
 
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 She has been a professional
 
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 astrologer since two thousand and eight,
 
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 and she trained with the
 
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 TPA School of Spiritual
 
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 Healing and Reverend Bill Trivett.
 
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 She has also studied
 
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 astrology with Stephen
 
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 Forrest and Astrologos,
 
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 which includes Dr.
 
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 Bernadette Brady and Darlene Goonsberg.
 
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 So today we're going to talk
 
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 more about astrology in
 
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 general and some really
 
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 deep dove questions we want
 
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 to really ask her with her
 
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 extensive experience and background.
 
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 So let's bring Pat on the show.
 
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 Hi, Pat.
 
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 Yeah, I'm doing well.
 
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 How are you, Kara?
 
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 I'm wonderful.
 
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 I am really excited to go
 
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 over these questions.
 
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 I know I thought really long
 
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 and hard about the
 
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 questions I wanted to ask you,
 
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 because we're going a
 
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 little bit deeper than we did before.
 
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 So let's start out with your
 
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 journey with astrology.
 
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 What initially drew you into
 
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 the practice and how has it
 
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 transformed your life?
 
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 It's really interesting.
 
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 I don't know that I've got
 
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 an actual inception point
 
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 for having fallen in love with astrology.
 
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 I started reading tarot when
 
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 I was very young, when I was twelve.
 
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 That's why fifty-five years.
 
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 I'm an old lady now.
 
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 I was also interested in all
 
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 of the other ways that
 
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 metaphysics could manifest
 
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 themselves and I started to
 
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 become interested in astrology.
 
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 As a matter of fact,
 
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 I can remember the very
 
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 first book I had was
 
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 It was a little pink,
 
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 orangey pink kind of paperback.
 
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 How to cast your chart.
 
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 I can't for the life of me
 
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 remember the name of the author.
 
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 But I remember getting so confused.
 
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 I remember looking at all of
 
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 this information.
 
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 I must have been fourteen,
 
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 fifteen years old.
 
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 And I remember thinking,
 
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 this sounds like it could
 
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 be really interesting,
 
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 but I just can't wrap my
 
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 head around this.
 
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 So I shelved it for a while.
 
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 Then when I got into my twenties,
 
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 I started doing a little
 
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 bit more studying and a
 
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 little bit more reading.
 
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 And while I could now wrap
 
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 my head around the concepts,
 
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 what I ran up against,
 
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 and I don't know if you've
 
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 ever noticed this is that
 
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 there's so many different sources.
 
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 They started arguing with each other.
 
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 They started, you know,
 
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 being at odds with each other.
 
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 And it meant that I was once
 
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 again confused and didn't
 
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 know how to wrap my head
 
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 around the process.
 
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 Um,
 
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 I read, I kept getting books,
 
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 I kept reading,
 
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 but it wasn't until I moved
 
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 to South Central PA that I
 
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 could find a teacher.
 
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 I used to live, I mean,
 
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 in the boondocks of
 
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 Northern New York State.
 
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 We were forty-five minutes
 
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 south of Montreal, Canada.
 
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 So it was, you know, my daughter,
 
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 when my daughter went to
 
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 college and they asked her,
 
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 what do you do in Shazy,
 
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 which is the name of the town we lived in,
 
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 for fun on weekends, she says,
 
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 cow tipping.
 
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 That gives you an idea how
 
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 isolated this place is.
 
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 It's not like I could put my
 
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 hands on a teacher very
 
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 easily in rural northern New York State.
 
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 But when I met Bill Trivett
 
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 and I started taking classes,
 
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 it was like a light switch got thrown on.
 
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 And he looked at my chart and he said,
 
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 that's because you've done this before.
 
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 Looking at the chart,
 
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 he could see I had the
 
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 typical astrologer's mark,
 
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 which is Uranus resting in
 
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 the third house.
 
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 We speak astrologies.
 
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 So that was amazing.
 
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 It was kind of cool.
 
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 He had it too.
 
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 Wow.
 
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 That's pretty cool.
 
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 I didn't know that.
 
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 I love that information.
 
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 Well,
 
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 I know that years and years of
 
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 working with astrology for clients,
 
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 moving into teaching,
 
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 you're a natural teacher.
 
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 I'm wondering as an astrology instructor,
 
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 you know,
 
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 what do you believe is the most
 
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 important reason for people
 
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 to learn the art of
 
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 astrology and what can it
 
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 teach us about ourselves in the world?
 
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 Because like you said,
 
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 there's so many different
 
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 resources out there that
 
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 you could get confused.
 
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 And, you know, some people may say, well,
 
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 I don't believe in
 
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 astrology because this one says this.
 
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 And that question,
 
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 I don't believe in
 
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 astrology is really interesting.
 
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 Or that might be the only
 
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 thing that they've ever
 
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 been exposed to where the
 
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 sun sign columns in the newspaper.
 
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 Which, I mean, quite honestly,
 
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 have their place,
 
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 but that's not going to
 
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 tell you about yourself.
 
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 Let's enter the first part
 
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 of your question as the
 
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 primary jumping off point.
 
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 The most important reason to understand,
 
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 not necessarily be able to
 
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 read for somebody else,
 
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 but to understand your own chart,
 
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 to learn enough astrology
 
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 to look at your chart and
 
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 to sort of get to grips
 
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 with what's going on in there,
 
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 is that it's your blueprint.
 
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 It is the perfect way for
 
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 you to understand yourself.
 
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 One of the things that I
 
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 teach my students is that
 
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 the most important reason
 
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 for them to be sitting
 
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 there learning this is that if you don't,
 
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 you may go through your
 
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 entire life banging your
 
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 head against the wall,
 
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 working the hardest you can
 
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 to be somebody you aren't.
 
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 Whereas when you're looking
 
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 and learning about your own chart,
 
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 you can
 
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 very clearly see what you came in to do,
 
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 where your strengths are,
 
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 where your weaknesses are,
 
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 and you need to bolster and support.
 
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 What are your normal
 
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 responses to different stimulus?
 
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 And it is absolutely, to me,
 
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 the most wonderful form of
 
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 redemption and
 
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 self-acceptance that I've
 
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 ever worked with.
 
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 Once you understand yourself,
 
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 then you can keep
 
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 evolving and keep making
 
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 yourself even better,
 
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 rather than trying to force
 
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 a square peg in a round hole,
 
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 if you get my drift.
 
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 I think that's a beautiful
 
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 embodiment of my values to
 
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 embody radical self love.
 
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 How can you you can't love
 
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 yourself if you're not being yourself.
 
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 if you don't know who you are.
 
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 And this is a fabulous way
 
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 to jumpstart that.
 
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 There's a reason Carl Jung
 
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 used astrology when he
 
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 worked with his patients.
 
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 He looked at their charts so
 
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 he could help them heal faster.
 
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 It works.
 
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 What can I tell you?
 
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 And so our podcast we just
 
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 launched back a couple of weeks ago,
 
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 we have, we have Allie Coker.
 
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 We talk about, she's a psychotherapist,
 
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 how she integrates
 
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 astrology and Tarot into
 
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 her psychotherapy counseling practice.
 
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 And we talked specifically about Jung.
 
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 And so that's why I want
 
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 this episode to go after that.
 
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 So people who are like,
 
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 I don't even understand why
 
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 that we're diving into this
 
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 a little bit more.
 
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 So...
 
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 Well,
 
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 can you share a story with us where
 
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 astrology had a profound
 
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 impact on maybe one of your
 
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 clients or helping them
 
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 gain clarity or insight into their life?
 
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 Yes.
 
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 I have to be really careful.
 
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 As you know,
 
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 ethics is really important to me.
 
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 And in order to protect the innocent,
 
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 I need to change names.
 
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 All kidding aside,
 
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 there are times when we have kept
 
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 things very close to our chest,
 
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 baggage that's packed way
 
 00:07:49.096 --> 00:07:51.158
 back in the darkest recesses of the mind.
 
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 And sometimes astrology can
 
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 help unlock the doors that
 
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 keep healing from happening,
 
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 those doors that are so
 
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 slammed and locked tight
 
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 that we can't personally get at them.
 
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 One example I can give
 
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 without going into great detail,
 
 00:08:09.809 --> 00:08:10.550
 I have to be careful,
 
 00:08:11.766 --> 00:08:13.567
 I could see that because of
 
 00:08:13.608 --> 00:08:15.410
 the planetary array between
 
 00:08:15.490 --> 00:08:17.630
 Mars and Pluto in this
 
 00:08:17.750 --> 00:08:19.812
 young woman's chart and
 
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 where it was placed in the chart,
 
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 the houses that were
 
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 activated and the other
 
 00:08:24.134 --> 00:08:26.357
 planets that were in connection with it,
 
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 it was patently obvious
 
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 this young woman had all of
 
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 the potential signs of
 
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 having been either sexually
 
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 or if not actually abused, certainly,
 
 00:08:37.583 --> 00:08:39.105
 if not molested, certainly abused,
 
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 if you know what I mean.
 
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 Now,
 
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 I had to be very careful in how I
 
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 couched that.
 
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 But just by simply asking the question,
 
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 have there been times when
 
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 you felt your body wasn't your own,
 
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 wasn't treated as sacrosanct as your own?
 
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 For the first time,
 
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 she was able to talk about it.
 
 00:09:01.087 --> 00:09:03.467
 It really loosened some
 
 00:09:03.508 --> 00:09:04.528
 floodgates for her.
 
 00:09:05.308 --> 00:09:05.428
 It
 
 00:09:06.147 --> 00:09:07.947
 It was really torrential in
 
 00:09:08.008 --> 00:09:09.327
 terms of tears and the
 
 00:09:09.368 --> 00:09:10.748
 things that came afterwards.
 
 00:09:11.509 --> 00:09:12.708
 But she followed up with me
 
 00:09:12.749 --> 00:09:13.428
 and said that it was
 
 00:09:13.489 --> 00:09:14.428
 actually very healing
 
 00:09:14.448 --> 00:09:15.590
 because for the first time
 
 00:09:15.649 --> 00:09:16.529
 it was said out loud.
 
 00:09:16.549 --> 00:09:19.591
 And it was not permitted to
 
 00:09:19.630 --> 00:09:21.510
 talk about it when she was young.
 
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 So if it couldn't be talked about,
 
 00:09:24.932 --> 00:09:27.113
 her reality couldn't be honored.
 
 00:09:28.538 --> 00:09:30.299
 And from what I now know,
 
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 having worked with her for several years,
 
 00:09:32.701 --> 00:09:33.962
 she's just flown.
 
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 She has absolutely soared in self-esteem,
 
 00:09:38.466 --> 00:09:39.908
 in her belief in herself,
 
 00:09:40.969 --> 00:09:41.970
 and in advocacy.
 
 00:09:42.491 --> 00:09:43.812
 for other young women.
 
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 So that is probably the most
 
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 profound that I think has
 
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 been really helpful in
 
 00:09:51.096 --> 00:09:52.635
 terms of helping people
 
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 discover who they are and
 
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 how to heal themselves.
 
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 Because that's really,
 
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 as you know very well,
 
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 we don't do the healing, they do.
 
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 All we do is facilitate and
 
 00:10:01.980 --> 00:10:03.941
 make it possible for them
 
 00:10:03.980 --> 00:10:04.942
 to be able to heal.
 
 00:10:05.929 --> 00:10:06.850
 So I'll tell you,
 
 00:10:06.910 --> 00:10:09.495
 I did a lot of Reiki during that session.
 
 00:10:09.595 --> 00:10:10.937
 It was Reiki going on in the
 
 00:10:10.956 --> 00:10:13.881
 background while I was reading the chart.
 
 00:10:14.160 --> 00:10:14.301
 Yeah,
 
 00:10:14.341 --> 00:10:16.643
 so I think the value so much in
 
 00:10:16.883 --> 00:10:18.104
 self-awareness in general
 
 00:10:18.144 --> 00:10:19.203
 is gaining that sense of
 
 00:10:19.264 --> 00:10:20.345
 who you are and then that
 
 00:10:20.384 --> 00:10:21.505
 you can grow that self-esteem.
 
 00:10:21.566 --> 00:10:22.826
 And sometimes, a lot of times,
 
 00:10:23.447 --> 00:10:24.587
 I could say sometimes the
 
 00:10:24.628 --> 00:10:25.788
 services that we offer as
 
 00:10:25.849 --> 00:10:27.349
 readers are the doorway for
 
 00:10:27.409 --> 00:10:28.269
 people to actually get
 
 00:10:28.309 --> 00:10:29.490
 involved in knowing
 
 00:10:29.510 --> 00:10:30.572
 themselves and even maybe
 
 00:10:30.731 --> 00:10:32.011
 getting other help like
 
 00:10:32.052 --> 00:10:32.913
 counseling and things like
 
 00:10:32.932 --> 00:10:34.114
 that if it's necessary.
 
 00:10:34.474 --> 00:10:35.355
 So that's one of the things
 
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 we both carry such a strong
 
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 value in ethics and
 
 00:10:39.277 --> 00:10:40.557
 professionalism and how do
 
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 we then deliver the message
 
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 so that they can get the
 
 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:43.921
 support they need.
 
 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.422
 So yeah,
 
 00:10:45.461 --> 00:10:47.443
 and I think there's so much more
 
 00:10:47.684 --> 00:10:49.265
 that astrology can provide.
 
 00:10:49.667 --> 00:10:51.488
 So since it's a vast field
 
 00:10:51.889 --> 00:10:53.770
 and there's different types of astrology,
 
 00:10:54.591 --> 00:10:55.611
 what specific branch of
 
 00:10:55.631 --> 00:10:56.974
 astrology do you practice
 
 00:10:57.073 --> 00:10:58.575
 and do you teach?
 
 00:10:58.716 --> 00:10:59.336
 Oh my goodness.
 
 00:11:00.717 --> 00:11:02.078
 I practice quite a few branches.
 
 00:11:02.966 --> 00:11:05.408
 I do basically what we do in
 
 00:11:05.568 --> 00:11:06.769
 when I have a regular session,
 
 00:11:06.830 --> 00:11:08.692
 I'm looking at somebody's natal chart,
 
 00:11:08.731 --> 00:11:09.893
 natal chart interpretation.
 
 00:11:10.253 --> 00:11:12.995
 That is standard Western
 
 00:11:13.154 --> 00:11:14.316
 psychological astrology.
 
 00:11:14.817 --> 00:11:16.278
 Okay.
 
 00:11:17.018 --> 00:11:19.299
 I have also one of my
 
 00:11:19.340 --> 00:11:21.581
 favorite forms of astrology
 
 00:11:21.701 --> 00:11:23.043
 is evolutionary astrology
 
 00:11:23.524 --> 00:11:24.403
 in which we're looking at
 
 00:11:24.443 --> 00:11:26.686
 the karmic overlays from
 
 00:11:27.907 --> 00:11:29.727
 lifetimes gone before that
 
 00:11:29.928 --> 00:11:31.570
 can show up in the chart.
 
 00:11:32.023 --> 00:11:37.046
 It's a lot of fun and it's a lot of, again,
 
 00:11:37.105 --> 00:11:37.787
 very healing,
 
 00:11:38.386 --> 00:11:39.807
 but really fascinating to
 
 00:11:39.847 --> 00:11:40.888
 watch people make the
 
 00:11:40.927 --> 00:11:43.289
 correlations when I'll give
 
 00:11:43.309 --> 00:11:44.490
 them some background of
 
 00:11:44.630 --> 00:11:47.673
 what I see and they see
 
 00:11:48.092 --> 00:11:49.933
 correlations of it in their daily lives.
 
 00:11:50.738 --> 00:11:52.077
 Um, an example I can give you,
 
 00:11:52.097 --> 00:11:52.758
 it wasn't mine.
 
 00:11:52.817 --> 00:11:53.538
 I'm going to give you one
 
 00:11:53.558 --> 00:11:55.119
 from Steven when Steven, um,
 
 00:11:55.538 --> 00:11:57.879
 Forrest taught his class in
 
 00:11:57.999 --> 00:11:59.318
 Oregon back in my goodness, it was,
 
 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.159
 I think no,
 
 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.039
 we were sitting there and he
 
 00:12:05.341 --> 00:12:07.480
 saw in this gentleman's chart,
 
 00:12:08.321 --> 00:12:11.020
 how pharmaceuticals or drugs,
 
 00:12:11.142 --> 00:12:16.261
 or in some way he may have been a, um,
 
 00:12:16.302 --> 00:12:19.582
 some kind of a, uh, a shaman or.
 
 00:12:20.436 --> 00:12:21.716
 Definitely utilized
 
 00:12:21.817 --> 00:12:23.398
 psychedelics to be able to
 
 00:12:23.618 --> 00:12:25.859
 help people get into their
 
 00:12:25.918 --> 00:12:28.500
 journeying and into their path work.
 
 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.120
 Turns out that in this lifetime,
 
 00:12:30.860 --> 00:12:32.881
 the guy is a was this was
 
 00:12:33.142 --> 00:12:34.302
 on the West Coast, obviously,
 
 00:12:34.342 --> 00:12:34.982
 in twenty ten.
 
 00:12:35.563 --> 00:12:36.964
 The guy was a psychologist
 
 00:12:37.063 --> 00:12:38.485
 who specialized in using
 
 00:12:38.565 --> 00:12:40.525
 psychedelics in his practice.
 
 00:12:40.894 --> 00:12:42.894
 under very careful circumstances.
 
 00:12:42.914 --> 00:12:46.638
 So he obviously was reliving this again.
 
 00:12:46.937 --> 00:12:48.399
 What was different was the
 
 00:12:48.438 --> 00:12:50.580
 fact that in the past, Stephen saw,
 
 00:12:50.820 --> 00:12:51.620
 because of the various
 
 00:12:51.660 --> 00:12:52.861
 connections of the planets,
 
 00:12:53.261 --> 00:12:54.503
 that there was probably a
 
 00:12:54.543 --> 00:12:55.962
 religious overtone to it,
 
 00:12:56.264 --> 00:12:58.184
 hence the shaman or some
 
 00:12:58.225 --> 00:12:59.346
 kind of a high priest that
 
 00:12:59.426 --> 00:13:00.525
 utilized psychedelics.
 
 00:13:01.126 --> 00:13:02.807
 And this man had left the
 
 00:13:02.827 --> 00:13:04.729
 priesthood in this lifetime.
 
 00:13:05.129 --> 00:13:06.350
 because he found it too
 
 00:13:06.370 --> 00:13:08.332
 confining and wanted to be
 
 00:13:08.373 --> 00:13:09.234
 more help to people.
 
 00:13:09.433 --> 00:13:10.615
 So he went back to college
 
 00:13:10.655 --> 00:13:13.578
 and got his got his degree in psychology,
 
 00:13:13.798 --> 00:13:14.759
 which I thought was fair.
 
 00:13:15.764 --> 00:13:16.465
 That's amazing.
 
 00:13:16.946 --> 00:13:19.226
 Well, just a little spoiler alert.
 
 00:13:19.246 --> 00:13:20.386
 We're going to have a series
 
 00:13:20.506 --> 00:13:22.227
 of episodes coming up y'all
 
 00:13:22.327 --> 00:13:24.469
 about psychedelics in the
 
 00:13:24.509 --> 00:13:27.230
 clinical psychotherapy, psychiatry field,
 
 00:13:27.390 --> 00:13:28.591
 and some other fun topics
 
 00:13:28.711 --> 00:13:29.652
 around that topic.
 
 00:13:29.672 --> 00:13:30.572
 So that's really awesome.
 
 00:13:31.232 --> 00:13:31.572
 Um,
 
 00:13:31.613 --> 00:13:33.214
 but that came up in two thousand and ten.
 
 00:13:33.714 --> 00:13:35.254
 That's awesome.
 
 00:13:35.934 --> 00:13:36.995
 How do the different types
 
 00:13:37.015 --> 00:13:38.836
 of astrology serve unique purposes?
 
 00:13:38.897 --> 00:13:40.577
 So natal astrology,
 
 00:13:40.778 --> 00:13:41.498
 how does that differ than
 
 00:13:41.538 --> 00:13:44.840
 predictive or horary astrology?
 
 00:13:46.041 --> 00:13:46.240
 Well,
 
 00:13:46.321 --> 00:13:48.302
 natal astrology tells the story of
 
 00:13:48.501 --> 00:13:50.482
 who you are based upon your chart,
 
 00:13:50.623 --> 00:13:51.342
 your birth chart,
 
 00:13:51.623 --> 00:13:52.943
 which is erected based upon
 
 00:13:52.964 --> 00:13:54.744
 your birthplace, birth time,
 
 00:13:55.144 --> 00:13:57.125
 and birth date, okay?
 
 00:13:57.445 --> 00:13:59.186
 The transits or predictive
 
 00:13:59.365 --> 00:14:01.486
 astrology is taking that
 
 00:14:01.567 --> 00:14:04.268
 initial natal chart, but saying, okay,
 
 00:14:05.187 --> 00:14:06.149
 what's happening now?
 
 00:14:06.349 --> 00:14:06.609
 You know,
 
 00:14:06.649 --> 00:14:08.990
 what's going on with the progress chart,
 
 00:14:09.029 --> 00:14:09.669
 which is simply
 
 00:14:10.191 --> 00:14:11.231
 an easy way to put that is
 
 00:14:11.251 --> 00:14:12.793
 simply it's a form of the
 
 00:14:12.832 --> 00:14:13.832
 chart that's erected by
 
 00:14:13.874 --> 00:14:16.115
 astrologers to determine
 
 00:14:16.134 --> 00:14:17.655
 how far you've evolved
 
 00:14:18.056 --> 00:14:18.797
 since you were born.
 
 00:14:19.736 --> 00:14:22.278
 And then meshing that with the transits,
 
 00:14:22.298 --> 00:14:23.440
 which is another fancy word
 
 00:14:23.460 --> 00:14:25.140
 for simply saying where the planet is now,
 
 00:14:25.160 --> 00:14:26.042
 you know,
 
 00:14:26.322 --> 00:14:27.842
 and how are they connecting with
 
 00:14:27.883 --> 00:14:28.322
 your chart.
 
 00:14:28.643 --> 00:14:29.903
 So they work together,
 
 00:14:30.304 --> 00:14:33.767
 all of those natal and predictive charts.
 
 00:14:33.966 --> 00:14:35.248
 Mundane astrology,
 
 00:14:35.807 --> 00:14:37.369
 which is the study of
 
 00:14:37.769 --> 00:14:39.850
 countries or cities or
 
 00:14:40.562 --> 00:14:42.503
 entities such as businesses.
 
 00:14:43.102 --> 00:14:44.403
 You can look at anything
 
 00:14:44.962 --> 00:14:45.803
 from the point of its
 
 00:14:45.864 --> 00:14:48.443
 inception and see how things are going.
 
 00:14:48.504 --> 00:14:49.605
 Anybody who's watched my
 
 00:14:50.085 --> 00:14:52.505
 annual predictions workshop
 
 00:14:52.666 --> 00:14:53.686
 or lecture that's done on
 
 00:14:53.706 --> 00:14:54.806
 the first Friday of the month,
 
 00:14:55.307 --> 00:14:57.767
 that's mundane astrology that I do there.
 
 00:14:57.826 --> 00:14:59.128
 By looking at the way the
 
 00:14:59.148 --> 00:15:00.947
 planets are arrayed and how
 
 00:15:00.967 --> 00:15:03.369
 they interact with the US chart,
 
 00:15:04.001 --> 00:15:07.024
 set for July fourth, seventeen seventy six,
 
 00:15:07.703 --> 00:15:09.504
 I can sort of get an
 
 00:15:09.664 --> 00:15:11.466
 overall theme and overall
 
 00:15:12.647 --> 00:15:15.528
 feel for how each period
 
 00:15:15.589 --> 00:15:16.610
 from each three month
 
 00:15:16.629 --> 00:15:18.770
 period from what we call the ingresses.
 
 00:15:18.951 --> 00:15:19.731
 I know big, long word.
 
 00:15:20.812 --> 00:15:22.072
 You can get an idea of
 
 00:15:22.413 --> 00:15:24.474
 really quite to the point
 
 00:15:24.494 --> 00:15:25.514
 where things are happening.
 
 00:15:26.827 --> 00:15:28.750
 I've been really surprised
 
 00:15:28.769 --> 00:15:29.990
 at how accurate they've been.
 
 00:15:30.410 --> 00:15:31.510
 I shouldn't say that, right?
 
 00:15:31.591 --> 00:15:33.373
 I've been surprised at how accurate I was.
 
 00:15:34.013 --> 00:15:37.375
 But it's really, it's amazing how much,
 
 00:15:37.796 --> 00:15:39.496
 if you follow the technique,
 
 00:15:40.336 --> 00:15:42.097
 you can determine what's upcoming.
 
 00:15:42.999 --> 00:15:44.759
 Other types, horary, as you mentioned.
 
 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:46.260
 Horary astrology is a
 
 00:15:46.321 --> 00:15:47.341
 totally different animal.
 
 00:15:47.721 --> 00:15:48.663
 Totally different animal.
 
 00:15:48.923 --> 00:15:51.104
 You don't use the same kinds
 
 00:15:51.224 --> 00:15:52.065
 of rules for that.
 
 00:15:52.509 --> 00:15:54.590
 It's literally you ask a question.
 
 00:15:54.610 --> 00:15:55.551
 You have to formulate in
 
 00:15:55.571 --> 00:15:56.971
 your mind what specifically
 
 00:15:57.011 --> 00:15:57.773
 is this question.
 
 00:15:58.052 --> 00:15:58.613
 Something like,
 
 00:15:59.974 --> 00:16:02.696
 where is dad's will hidden?
 
 00:16:03.817 --> 00:16:04.096
 Okay.
 
 00:16:05.138 --> 00:16:07.259
 And you can find the answer in a chart.
 
 00:16:07.659 --> 00:16:08.799
 You have to erect the chart
 
 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:09.721
 for the moment you
 
 00:16:09.860 --> 00:16:10.581
 understood what the
 
 00:16:10.601 --> 00:16:11.841
 question was supposed to be.
 
 00:16:12.302 --> 00:16:13.302
 And you knew what your path
 
 00:16:13.322 --> 00:16:14.063
 was to get there.
 
 00:16:14.841 --> 00:16:16.803
 And it's based on the ruler
 
 00:16:17.063 --> 00:16:18.004
 of the first house,
 
 00:16:18.365 --> 00:16:19.605
 the ruler of the house that
 
 00:16:19.785 --> 00:16:21.746
 is associated with the question.
 
 00:16:22.128 --> 00:16:23.589
 In that case, whereas dad's will,
 
 00:16:23.668 --> 00:16:24.469
 I would say I'd look at the
 
 00:16:24.568 --> 00:16:25.710
 eighth house because the
 
 00:16:25.830 --> 00:16:27.010
 eighth house looks at
 
 00:16:27.772 --> 00:16:29.932
 inheritance and birth, death,
 
 00:16:29.952 --> 00:16:30.774
 that kind of thing.
 
 00:16:31.374 --> 00:16:31.734
 Dad,
 
 00:16:31.754 --> 00:16:33.235
 I would look at the fourth house as well,
 
 00:16:33.336 --> 00:16:35.417
 the father figure and the mother figure.
 
 00:16:35.917 --> 00:16:38.119
 So, I mean, it's really fascinating.
 
 00:16:38.139 --> 00:16:39.679
 And then there's electional astrology.
 
 00:16:40.321 --> 00:16:41.562
 Electional astrology is,
 
 00:16:41.701 --> 00:16:42.522
 let's say you and your
 
 00:16:42.562 --> 00:16:43.602
 partner want to get married.
 
 00:16:44.878 --> 00:16:46.600
 You wanna pick the best possible date.
 
 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:48.801
 You can look at the way the
 
 00:16:48.821 --> 00:16:50.403
 planets are set up and
 
 00:16:50.423 --> 00:16:51.864
 choose the most auspicious
 
 00:16:51.964 --> 00:16:54.426
 date for being able to have
 
 00:16:54.485 --> 00:16:56.347
 a successful long and happy marriage.
 
 00:16:56.807 --> 00:16:59.691
 I used it when I was selling my house,
 
 00:16:59.931 --> 00:17:03.854
 when we left Red Lion back in, I put it,
 
 00:17:03.974 --> 00:17:05.134
 I picked the date for it to
 
 00:17:05.174 --> 00:17:05.915
 go on the market.
 
 00:17:06.676 --> 00:17:07.857
 And then I picked the date
 
 00:17:07.958 --> 00:17:10.359
 for figuring when I get the sale.
 
 00:17:12.030 --> 00:17:12.912
 I picked the date for when
 
 00:17:12.932 --> 00:17:14.313
 we went on the market, nailed it.
 
 00:17:14.452 --> 00:17:17.034
 We had our house sold in ten days.
 
 00:17:17.914 --> 00:17:18.976
 I did the same for our
 
 00:17:19.016 --> 00:17:20.817
 friends who ended up building with us.
 
 00:17:21.537 --> 00:17:23.479
 And they went a little early.
 
 00:17:23.919 --> 00:17:24.919
 They went too early.
 
 00:17:24.939 --> 00:17:26.180
 They were quite on time.
 
 00:17:26.220 --> 00:17:29.362
 So they did get, as a matter of fact,
 
 00:17:29.402 --> 00:17:30.502
 I think they had two offers
 
 00:17:30.863 --> 00:17:31.604
 and both of them fell
 
 00:17:31.644 --> 00:17:33.164
 through because they did it
 
 00:17:33.204 --> 00:17:34.665
 while Mercury was in retrograde.
 
 00:17:36.884 --> 00:17:38.566
 So it makes all kinds of difference.
 
 00:17:38.806 --> 00:17:40.126
 It's fascinating stuff.
 
 00:17:40.467 --> 00:17:41.626
 Then somebody that works
 
 00:17:41.646 --> 00:17:43.788
 with us at Firefly does medical astrology,
 
 00:17:43.928 --> 00:17:45.147
 Jamie, Jamie Fay,
 
 00:17:45.648 --> 00:17:46.929
 beautiful work on
 
 00:17:46.989 --> 00:17:48.349
 determining how does the
 
 00:17:48.369 --> 00:17:51.431
 human body align with some
 
 00:17:51.451 --> 00:17:52.030
 of the planets?
 
 00:17:52.050 --> 00:17:54.791
 For example, Aries rules the head, Taurus,
 
 00:17:54.832 --> 00:17:56.833
 the throat and neck, um,
 
 00:17:57.212 --> 00:17:59.854
 genitalia and the elimination system.
 
 00:17:59.874 --> 00:18:02.535
 That's Scorpio, the feet that's Pisces.
 
 00:18:02.815 --> 00:18:04.536
 So, I mean, it's, and if you,
 
 00:18:04.655 --> 00:18:05.756
 if you're like me with, with,
 
 00:18:06.181 --> 00:18:07.603
 a lot of arthritis that
 
 00:18:07.623 --> 00:18:08.324
 you're dealing with,
 
 00:18:08.805 --> 00:18:10.326
 Saturn has to be looked at.
 
 00:18:10.948 --> 00:18:11.348
 And for me,
 
 00:18:11.409 --> 00:18:12.730
 Saturn's in my sixth house of
 
 00:18:12.770 --> 00:18:15.454
 health and it's afflicted.
 
 00:18:15.894 --> 00:18:17.116
 It's in rough shape.
 
 00:18:17.136 --> 00:18:18.699
 So consequently,
 
 00:18:18.778 --> 00:18:19.961
 I have a lot of arthritis
 
 00:18:20.221 --> 00:18:21.182
 and a lot of joint issues,
 
 00:18:21.222 --> 00:18:22.505
 but it's fascinating stuff.
 
 00:18:23.384 --> 00:18:24.464
 I think specifically it's
 
 00:18:24.505 --> 00:18:25.845
 even fascinating to someone
 
 00:18:25.984 --> 00:18:27.184
 if you are on the fence
 
 00:18:27.224 --> 00:18:28.006
 about it and you're like, well,
 
 00:18:28.026 --> 00:18:28.506
 I don't know,
 
 00:18:28.806 --> 00:18:30.547
 like trying it and getting a
 
 00:18:30.586 --> 00:18:31.686
 good astrology who has a
 
 00:18:31.787 --> 00:18:33.548
 lot of experience and knows
 
 00:18:33.567 --> 00:18:34.708
 their particular type of
 
 00:18:34.728 --> 00:18:36.909
 astrology that they're specializing in.
 
 00:18:37.588 --> 00:18:38.749
 I think that that can like
 
 00:18:38.950 --> 00:18:41.790
 really open up this possibility for,
 
 00:18:41.990 --> 00:18:44.151
 oh my gosh, how could they see that in?
 
 00:18:44.632 --> 00:18:45.731
 And it just gives this sort
 
 00:18:45.771 --> 00:18:47.813
 of like awareness of,
 
 00:18:47.952 --> 00:18:49.813
 of cycles in a way that
 
 00:18:49.853 --> 00:18:51.673
 shows up in patterns in our lives.
 
 00:18:52.833 --> 00:18:53.953
 Yes, absolutely.
 
 00:18:54.453 --> 00:18:56.015
 Because that's all astrology is.
 
 00:18:56.055 --> 00:18:57.996
 It's the study of cycles and
 
 00:18:58.056 --> 00:19:00.517
 how in many cases,
 
 00:19:00.696 --> 00:19:02.478
 when we think of the birth chart,
 
 00:19:02.917 --> 00:19:04.038
 the progressions are like
 
 00:19:04.098 --> 00:19:05.599
 us going up a spiral staircase.
 
 00:19:06.420 --> 00:19:07.780
 Each of those elements,
 
 00:19:07.840 --> 00:19:09.240
 each of those energies that
 
 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:10.221
 the planets represent.
 
 00:19:11.016 --> 00:19:13.558
 rising with us as we learn and grow.
 
 00:19:13.818 --> 00:19:15.220
 Or at least that's the goal.
 
 00:19:15.520 --> 00:19:17.001
 That's what they should be doing.
 
 00:19:17.482 --> 00:19:18.083
 Absolutely.
 
 00:19:18.703 --> 00:19:20.085
 So what about the unique or
 
 00:19:20.144 --> 00:19:21.385
 lesser known ways people
 
 00:19:21.426 --> 00:19:22.267
 can use astrology?
 
 00:19:22.287 --> 00:19:22.448
 I mean,
 
 00:19:22.468 --> 00:19:25.410
 we talked about the horary astrology.
 
 00:19:25.711 --> 00:19:27.332
 Is there anything else just
 
 00:19:27.732 --> 00:19:30.414
 like that are unique forms
 
 00:19:30.455 --> 00:19:31.415
 that people are like,
 
 00:19:31.457 --> 00:19:32.196
 I've never heard of that
 
 00:19:32.217 --> 00:19:33.018
 because I've never heard of
 
 00:19:33.057 --> 00:19:34.799
 the horary astrology?
 
 00:19:36.229 --> 00:19:38.711
 It's not practiced as much anymore,
 
 00:19:38.770 --> 00:19:40.010
 which is really kind of sad.
 
 00:19:40.932 --> 00:19:41.892
 One of the things I wanted
 
 00:19:41.912 --> 00:19:43.173
 to do when I retired was
 
 00:19:43.232 --> 00:19:45.054
 actually get into a deep study of it.
 
 00:19:45.094 --> 00:19:47.056
 I haven't had two seconds to do that yet.
 
 00:19:48.696 --> 00:19:50.718
 I would say maybe it's
 
 00:19:50.877 --> 00:19:52.219
 applications rather than
 
 00:19:52.739 --> 00:19:54.779
 unique types of astrology.
 
 00:19:54.900 --> 00:19:55.461
 Okay.
 
 00:19:55.500 --> 00:19:56.861
 You might not think about it.
 
 00:19:57.481 --> 00:19:59.242
 If you're wanting to open up a business,
 
 00:19:59.403 --> 00:20:01.403
 you'd be really foolish not
 
 00:20:01.423 --> 00:20:02.345
 to get your chart read
 
 00:20:02.365 --> 00:20:04.246
 first and see what the progressions are.
 
 00:20:04.750 --> 00:20:06.471
 and what the transits are for you.
 
 00:20:07.070 --> 00:20:09.112
 Because you want your business to do well.
 
 00:20:09.311 --> 00:20:10.813
 So you want it to start at a
 
 00:20:10.873 --> 00:20:12.292
 time when it's good for you,
 
 00:20:12.814 --> 00:20:14.535
 at a time when it's auspicious,
 
 00:20:15.974 --> 00:20:16.915
 in terms of the heavens,
 
 00:20:17.415 --> 00:20:19.156
 for the business itself to
 
 00:20:19.196 --> 00:20:20.757
 keep going and go strong.
 
 00:20:22.837 --> 00:20:24.318
 It would be a great idea to
 
 00:20:24.419 --> 00:20:26.000
 utilize astrology when
 
 00:20:26.019 --> 00:20:27.220
 you're trying to choose
 
 00:20:27.760 --> 00:20:30.402
 whether or not you want to hire somebody.
 
 00:20:30.541 --> 00:20:32.001
 If you have access to their
 
 00:20:32.021 --> 00:20:33.103
 birth date and place,
 
 00:20:33.692 --> 00:20:34.352
 Not everybody can.
 
 00:20:34.372 --> 00:20:37.013
 That's specialized information.
 
 00:20:37.294 --> 00:20:39.296
 But if you can, you can get a look to see,
 
 00:20:39.655 --> 00:20:39.895
 okay,
 
 00:20:39.955 --> 00:20:41.457
 is this person's personality going
 
 00:20:41.477 --> 00:20:43.377
 to mesh well with the rest of the group?
 
 00:20:43.817 --> 00:20:46.660
 It's not to weed out necessarily,
 
 00:20:47.280 --> 00:20:49.182
 but to say, okay, remember how I said,
 
 00:20:49.201 --> 00:20:50.142
 a natal chart will tell you
 
 00:20:50.162 --> 00:20:50.903
 what your strengths and
 
 00:20:50.923 --> 00:20:51.923
 what your weaknesses are.
 
 00:20:52.544 --> 00:20:53.684
 When you're hiring somebody,
 
 00:20:53.724 --> 00:20:54.704
 you want to make sure that
 
 00:20:55.165 --> 00:20:56.226
 everybody's strengths are
 
 00:20:56.246 --> 00:20:57.487
 going to work together and
 
 00:20:57.507 --> 00:20:58.728
 that somebody's got
 
 00:20:59.093 --> 00:21:00.053
 the strength that another
 
 00:21:00.133 --> 00:21:01.713
 weakness is shown up.
 
 00:21:02.374 --> 00:21:03.153
 You know what I'm trying to say?
 
 00:21:03.394 --> 00:21:04.554
 That can bolster another
 
 00:21:04.594 --> 00:21:08.315
 person's weaknesses.
 
 00:21:08.335 --> 00:21:09.015
 Great time to pick a
 
 00:21:09.055 --> 00:21:12.675
 vacation is to use predictive work too.
 
 00:21:12.776 --> 00:21:13.395
 Oh, another one.
 
 00:21:14.257 --> 00:21:14.936
 Just reminded me.
 
 00:21:15.277 --> 00:21:16.737
 Astrocartography is another
 
 00:21:16.856 --> 00:21:19.057
 really interesting use of astrology.
 
 00:21:19.097 --> 00:21:20.438
 And it actually will show
 
 00:21:20.498 --> 00:21:23.098
 you where in the world it
 
 00:21:23.138 --> 00:21:26.338
 is best for you to go live
 
 00:21:26.499 --> 00:21:28.660
 vacation if you want to find a love.
 
 00:21:29.247 --> 00:21:30.628
 your life if you want to
 
 00:21:30.648 --> 00:21:33.012
 find spiritual awareness if
 
 00:21:33.053 --> 00:21:34.153
 you want to um oh my
 
 00:21:34.173 --> 00:21:38.000
 goodness if you want case
 
 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:39.201
 in point if you want to
 
 00:21:39.281 --> 00:21:40.644
 find where you were meant
 
 00:21:40.683 --> 00:21:42.145
 to be to do your life's
 
 00:21:42.185 --> 00:21:44.288
 work as I mentioned to you
 
 00:21:44.388 --> 00:21:45.691
 I was actually born in germany
 
 00:21:46.403 --> 00:21:47.323
 My father was a career
 
 00:21:47.364 --> 00:21:48.503
 military officer and we
 
 00:21:48.564 --> 00:21:49.605
 moved to Long Island,
 
 00:21:49.644 --> 00:21:52.086
 New York when I was just six months old.
 
 00:21:52.566 --> 00:21:53.767
 The day after I was born,
 
 00:21:53.807 --> 00:21:54.926
 he retired and we were back
 
 00:21:54.946 --> 00:21:55.788
 in the United States.
 
 00:21:56.167 --> 00:21:57.147
 My three older brothers,
 
 00:21:57.208 --> 00:21:58.989
 my mom and dad and I. We
 
 00:21:59.028 --> 00:22:00.809
 lived in New York all my life,
 
 00:22:01.609 --> 00:22:02.911
 either on Long Island or up
 
 00:22:02.931 --> 00:22:04.051
 in Northern New York State.
 
 00:22:04.672 --> 00:22:06.692
 When we got the opportunity to move,
 
 00:22:06.833 --> 00:22:07.833
 it was just something
 
 00:22:07.873 --> 00:22:10.154
 telling me that going to this place,
 
 00:22:10.214 --> 00:22:13.516
 this totally unknown South
 
 00:22:13.536 --> 00:22:14.997
 Central Pennsylvania area
 
 00:22:15.548 --> 00:22:16.469
 I had no idea,
 
 00:22:16.569 --> 00:22:18.589
 but I knew I was supposed to be there.
 
 00:22:18.770 --> 00:22:20.671
 This was before I knew about astrology.
 
 00:22:21.291 --> 00:22:23.732
 Come to find out, York,
 
 00:22:23.752 --> 00:22:25.032
 Pennsylvania runs right
 
 00:22:25.073 --> 00:22:27.934
 through my North Node line,
 
 00:22:28.174 --> 00:22:29.194
 my destiny line.
 
 00:22:29.454 --> 00:22:32.977
 It's where I am meant to be to do my work.
 
 00:22:34.278 --> 00:22:36.318
 And again, it's nothing I knew ahead.
 
 00:22:37.159 --> 00:22:39.039
 I didn't realize it until afterwards.
 
 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:41.520
 So it's really, really fascinating stuff.
 
 00:22:42.164 --> 00:22:42.384
 Yeah.
 
 00:22:42.444 --> 00:22:43.786
 And you know, that you read for my,
 
 00:22:44.026 --> 00:22:45.405
 my astro cartography,
 
 00:22:45.445 --> 00:22:47.886
 when I had had tremendously
 
 00:22:48.007 --> 00:22:50.688
 transformational experiences in Oahu,
 
 00:22:50.728 --> 00:22:51.327
 Hawaii,
 
 00:22:51.847 --> 00:22:54.469
 that my Neptune line and my Venus
 
 00:22:54.509 --> 00:22:57.410
 line run like almost right through there.
 
 00:22:57.910 --> 00:22:58.769
 And for the people who don't
 
 00:22:58.789 --> 00:23:00.790
 know what the Neptune and Venus presents,
 
 00:23:00.810 --> 00:23:01.671
 it'd be really beautiful
 
 00:23:01.711 --> 00:23:03.352
 for you to kind of cover that.
 
 00:23:03.392 --> 00:23:04.511
 What is that for people who
 
 00:23:04.571 --> 00:23:06.053
 are just to taste?
 
 00:23:07.113 --> 00:23:09.413
 Well, the Venus line is where,
 
 00:23:09.453 --> 00:23:10.554
 where are you going to find love?
 
 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.080
 Where are you going to find the things,
 
 00:23:13.362 --> 00:23:16.104
 people, situations you love?
 
 00:23:16.663 --> 00:23:19.145
 Where do you display your
 
 00:23:19.226 --> 00:23:22.367
 most ardent connecting capabilities?
 
 00:23:22.627 --> 00:23:24.549
 Venus is all about how do we network?
 
 00:23:24.690 --> 00:23:25.470
 How do we merge?
 
 00:23:25.750 --> 00:23:27.332
 How do we achieve rapport with others?
 
 00:23:27.771 --> 00:23:30.513
 Neptune, Neptune is its higher vibration.
 
 00:23:31.013 --> 00:23:32.515
 And it's that concept of
 
 00:23:33.036 --> 00:23:35.237
 where is my spiritual life
 
 00:23:35.317 --> 00:23:35.998
 supposed to go?
 
 00:23:36.057 --> 00:23:37.598
 Where is my creativity supposed?
 
 00:23:38.071 --> 00:23:39.913
 What direction is that supposed to go in?
 
 00:23:40.232 --> 00:23:41.213
 But it can also be,
 
 00:23:41.614 --> 00:23:42.954
 where am I willing to be
 
 00:23:44.516 --> 00:23:45.455
 resting in illusion?
 
 00:23:45.977 --> 00:23:46.997
 Where am I willing to wear
 
 00:23:47.356 --> 00:23:48.637
 my rose colored glasses?
 
 00:23:49.218 --> 00:23:51.619
 So as if you remember, I had said to you,
 
 00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:52.799
 this is a great place to go
 
 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:53.560
 for a vacation.
 
 00:23:53.621 --> 00:23:54.862
 It's not a great place for
 
 00:23:54.902 --> 00:23:56.102
 you to live and work on a
 
 00:23:56.201 --> 00:23:57.083
 permanent basis.
 
 00:23:57.742 --> 00:23:57.782
 So.
 
 00:23:57.803 --> 00:23:57.942
 Yeah.
 
 00:24:00.252 --> 00:24:02.173
 Yeah, absolutely.
 
 00:24:02.193 --> 00:24:03.654
 So how about the,
 
 00:24:04.976 --> 00:24:06.997
 how do you see astrology in
 
 00:24:07.057 --> 00:24:07.917
 playing a role in helping
 
 00:24:07.958 --> 00:24:08.978
 individuals understand
 
 00:24:08.998 --> 00:24:10.038
 their life purpose?
 
 00:24:10.618 --> 00:24:13.080
 Oh, it's absolutely fabulous for that.
 
 00:24:13.780 --> 00:24:16.423
 You start out when you're
 
 00:24:16.482 --> 00:24:19.005
 taking a look at your chart,
 
 00:24:19.644 --> 00:24:20.726
 you look at the north node.
 
 00:24:20.945 --> 00:24:22.767
 What's the sign in the house
 
 00:24:22.787 --> 00:24:23.527
 that it rests in?
 
 00:24:23.567 --> 00:24:24.627
 Because that will give you a
 
 00:24:24.688 --> 00:24:27.890
 clue as to what are the general signs
 
 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:30.340
 elements that you're seeking
 
 00:24:30.980 --> 00:24:32.902
 to achieve nirvana,
 
 00:24:32.961 --> 00:24:35.123
 to find your true north.
 
 00:24:36.604 --> 00:24:38.964
 Then you take a look at what
 
 00:24:39.786 --> 00:24:41.787
 sign is resting on the tenth house cusp,
 
 00:24:42.126 --> 00:24:43.428
 because that's your public life.
 
 00:24:43.827 --> 00:24:45.628
 Do those two correspond well
 
 00:24:45.669 --> 00:24:46.328
 with each other?
 
 00:24:46.888 --> 00:24:48.589
 Because we know a lot of people, Kara,
 
 00:24:48.609 --> 00:24:51.231
 you and I both do, who have a job,
 
 00:24:51.471 --> 00:24:52.612
 literally a job,
 
 00:24:52.771 --> 00:24:54.792
 but also have a vocation on the side.
 
 00:24:55.794 --> 00:24:57.154
 And that can be a case where
 
 00:24:57.174 --> 00:24:57.934
 the north node
 
 00:24:58.367 --> 00:25:00.368
 may not necessarily be at odds,
 
 00:25:00.409 --> 00:25:02.470
 but not comfortably meshing
 
 00:25:02.789 --> 00:25:04.030
 with the sign that rests on
 
 00:25:04.050 --> 00:25:05.070
 the tenth house cusp.
 
 00:25:06.672 --> 00:25:09.032
 The tenth house cusp for me is Aquarius.
 
 00:25:09.472 --> 00:25:10.513
 I'm supposed to be working
 
 00:25:10.534 --> 00:25:11.354
 with technology.
 
 00:25:11.913 --> 00:25:13.194
 I'm supposed to be finding a
 
 00:25:13.234 --> 00:25:15.715
 way to level the playing field.
 
 00:25:15.935 --> 00:25:18.718
 I'm supposed to be very individualized,
 
 00:25:18.877 --> 00:25:20.598
 which makes so much sense to me.
 
 00:25:20.999 --> 00:25:22.259
 That's why I love teaching.
 
 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:24.519
 It's kind of self-directed.
 
 00:25:25.020 --> 00:25:27.682
 It lets me do it my way, which is...
 
 00:25:28.443 --> 00:25:30.445
 It's a very, very Aquarian thing,
 
 00:25:30.526 --> 00:25:32.606
 unfortunately.
 
 00:25:32.707 --> 00:25:34.269
 And my north node happens to
 
 00:25:34.328 --> 00:25:37.310
 rest in Pisces, which is kind of cool.
 
 00:25:37.852 --> 00:25:39.992
 So I came here to learn how
 
 00:25:40.012 --> 00:25:42.836
 to use technology to find
 
 00:25:43.175 --> 00:25:44.336
 my spiritual meaning.
 
 00:25:44.957 --> 00:25:46.218
 And that is really what I've
 
 00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:47.819
 done by utilizing the
 
 00:25:47.859 --> 00:25:50.041
 software for astrology and
 
 00:25:50.321 --> 00:25:51.722
 the wonderful gifts of technology.
 
 00:25:52.102 --> 00:25:53.364
 Firefly Hollow allowing me
 
 00:25:53.403 --> 00:25:55.406
 to teach tarot and astrology there.
 
 00:25:56.268 --> 00:25:57.568
 We're having a ball by
 
 00:25:59.211 --> 00:26:00.973
 merging those two things,
 
 00:26:01.615 --> 00:26:03.317
 the spiritual and the
 
 00:26:03.376 --> 00:26:04.979
 metaphysical and the
 
 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.564
 amazing with real science
 
 00:26:08.844 --> 00:26:09.945
 when it comes to technology.
 
 00:26:11.121 --> 00:26:11.540
 It's great.
 
 00:26:11.681 --> 00:26:11.980
 Yeah.
 
 00:26:12.080 --> 00:26:12.882
 And yeah,
 
 00:26:12.922 --> 00:26:14.781
 the technology is definitely not
 
 00:26:14.821 --> 00:26:15.982
 always everyone's like,
 
 00:26:16.182 --> 00:26:16.982
 there's some people like I
 
 00:26:17.002 --> 00:26:17.823
 can't do technology.
 
 00:26:17.843 --> 00:26:18.284
 They're just not,
 
 00:26:18.663 --> 00:26:19.463
 I don't mind good with it.
 
 00:26:19.503 --> 00:26:20.284
 And I think that'd be
 
 00:26:20.304 --> 00:26:21.265
 curious to see in their
 
 00:26:21.305 --> 00:26:22.404
 chart if there's something
 
 00:26:22.444 --> 00:26:24.586
 that would be lining up for
 
 00:26:24.625 --> 00:26:25.385
 that and sharing.
 
 00:26:26.707 --> 00:26:27.626
 Probably have some
 
 00:26:27.807 --> 00:26:28.928
 reflecting their mercury
 
 00:26:28.948 --> 00:26:29.708
 and their Uranus.
 
 00:26:29.768 --> 00:26:29.988
 Yeah.
 
 00:26:31.068 --> 00:26:32.209
 like a Saturn square or
 
 00:26:32.249 --> 00:26:33.029
 something of that nature.
 
 00:26:33.190 --> 00:26:35.971
 So as far as astrology
 
 00:26:36.030 --> 00:26:37.811
 intersecting with other spiritual tools,
 
 00:26:38.211 --> 00:26:39.092
 such as the tarot,
 
 00:26:39.432 --> 00:26:40.772
 can you explain maybe how
 
 00:26:40.792 --> 00:26:42.374
 those systems will complement each other?
 
 00:26:42.413 --> 00:26:44.233
 Because Allie does talk about this,
 
 00:26:44.253 --> 00:26:45.255
 that she incorporates these
 
 00:26:45.295 --> 00:26:46.515
 into her psychotherapy session.
 
 00:26:46.535 --> 00:26:47.596
 So just from your perspective,
 
 00:26:48.016 --> 00:26:49.175
 curious how they intersect.
 
 00:26:50.217 --> 00:26:51.856
 I have often thrown cards at
 
 00:26:51.896 --> 00:26:54.979
 the end of an astrology session.
 
 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:56.519
 Astrology is going to give
 
 00:26:56.538 --> 00:26:57.239
 you the big picture.
 
 00:26:57.619 --> 00:26:58.480
 It's going to give you
 
 00:26:59.025 --> 00:27:00.846
 the rough layout of where
 
 00:27:00.885 --> 00:27:02.507
 the energies may start to
 
 00:27:02.646 --> 00:27:03.627
 present themselves.
 
 00:27:04.728 --> 00:27:06.828
 Tarot can be used to fine tune.
 
 00:27:08.430 --> 00:27:10.171
 It can be used to get more
 
 00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:13.232
 deeply into the whys and wherefores.
 
 00:27:14.913 --> 00:27:16.535
 I especially like to use it
 
 00:27:16.595 --> 00:27:17.575
 when I'm doing predictive
 
 00:27:17.595 --> 00:27:18.675
 work because the predictive
 
 00:27:18.695 --> 00:27:19.997
 work will give me a rough
 
 00:27:20.136 --> 00:27:22.538
 window of when something is
 
 00:27:22.577 --> 00:27:23.317
 going to occur.
 
 00:27:24.179 --> 00:27:25.019
 As you'll know from our
 
 00:27:25.058 --> 00:27:26.000
 readings in the past,
 
 00:27:26.496 --> 00:27:28.076
 There is a building up
 
 00:27:28.116 --> 00:27:30.679
 period in a transit or progression,
 
 00:27:31.278 --> 00:27:34.681
 an exact moment when the exact happening,
 
 00:27:34.820 --> 00:27:36.142
 you know, the square, the trine,
 
 00:27:36.182 --> 00:27:36.722
 the sextile,
 
 00:27:37.262 --> 00:27:38.564
 then there's a waning period.
 
 00:27:39.423 --> 00:27:41.885
 We can use that as a guideline,
 
 00:27:42.205 --> 00:27:43.267
 but tarot can,
 
 00:27:43.586 --> 00:27:44.386
 I've actually found it to
 
 00:27:44.428 --> 00:27:46.409
 be quite successful to nail
 
 00:27:46.449 --> 00:27:48.369
 down more tightly exactly
 
 00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:49.671
 what the window might be.
 
 00:27:50.010 --> 00:27:51.211
 So that's useful.
 
 00:27:51.692 --> 00:27:53.712
 They have always walked hand in hand.
 
 00:27:53.732 --> 00:27:56.095
 I mean, if you look at the Kabbalah,
 
 00:27:56.740 --> 00:27:58.682
 They are totally intertwined.
 
 00:27:59.423 --> 00:28:01.703
 Astrology and tarot totally
 
 00:28:01.743 --> 00:28:03.865
 go hand in hand in the tree of life.
 
 00:28:04.465 --> 00:28:07.709
 There is in my class that I teach in tarot,
 
 00:28:07.808 --> 00:28:08.909
 tarot three sixty five.
 
 00:28:09.329 --> 00:28:10.790
 We devote one class to how
 
 00:28:10.830 --> 00:28:13.011
 the two correspond with each other.
 
 00:28:13.071 --> 00:28:14.833
 And I show people how to lay
 
 00:28:14.952 --> 00:28:17.835
 out their chart in cards
 
 00:28:18.596 --> 00:28:20.517
 because each of the cards,
 
 00:28:20.717 --> 00:28:22.358
 it corresponds to a decanate,
 
 00:28:22.439 --> 00:28:24.940
 a ten degree period of each
 
 00:28:24.980 --> 00:28:25.941
 planet at each sign.
 
 00:28:26.707 --> 00:28:28.547
 So it's fascinating to watch
 
 00:28:28.586 --> 00:28:30.407
 your chart laid out in
 
 00:28:30.587 --> 00:28:32.627
 tarot cards and see how accurate it is.
 
 00:28:32.808 --> 00:28:35.169
 For those who don't know what Kabbalah is,
 
 00:28:35.269 --> 00:28:35.969
 is there any way you could
 
 00:28:35.989 --> 00:28:39.369
 just briefly share what that is?
 
 00:28:39.490 --> 00:28:40.130
 Oh, my goodness.
 
 00:28:40.309 --> 00:28:41.391
 That's where you need Maddie.
 
 00:28:43.171 --> 00:28:45.011
 The Kabbalah is an ancient
 
 00:28:45.491 --> 00:28:50.792
 Jewish mystic tool that is so deep.
 
 00:28:51.859 --> 00:28:53.080
 You can't even begin to
 
 00:28:53.121 --> 00:28:54.040
 scratch the surface.
 
 00:28:54.060 --> 00:28:55.923
 There are Jewish scholars
 
 00:28:56.462 --> 00:28:58.084
 who have spent lifetimes
 
 00:28:58.384 --> 00:28:59.765
 just scratching the surface
 
 00:29:00.184 --> 00:29:02.126
 of understanding the Kabbalah.
 
 00:29:02.527 --> 00:29:04.028
 I wouldn't even begin to presume.
 
 00:29:04.868 --> 00:29:07.190
 But it basically offers...
 
 00:29:09.151 --> 00:29:10.751
 It can be a wonderful tool
 
 00:29:10.791 --> 00:29:11.792
 for manifestation.
 
 00:29:12.493 --> 00:29:13.994
 It can be an amazing tool
 
 00:29:14.035 --> 00:29:18.396
 for meditation and for... Oh,
 
 00:29:18.477 --> 00:29:18.897
 I don't know.
 
 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:21.902
 For literally traveling
 
 00:29:21.942 --> 00:29:23.644
 within your own mind to
 
 00:29:23.683 --> 00:29:26.007
 different areas of your psyche,
 
 00:29:26.207 --> 00:29:28.490
 I think is a neat way to put it.
 
 00:29:29.050 --> 00:29:30.112
 By thinking about each of
 
 00:29:30.132 --> 00:29:30.992
 the different sephiro,
 
 00:29:31.012 --> 00:29:33.096
 each of the different circles.
 
 00:29:33.729 --> 00:29:33.969
 Yeah,
 
 00:29:34.028 --> 00:29:35.849
 Matt definitely has a lot of
 
 00:29:35.890 --> 00:29:36.529
 knowledge on it.
 
 00:29:36.569 --> 00:29:37.611
 And he talks to me and then
 
 00:29:37.711 --> 00:29:39.912
 I like my eyes glaze over.
 
 00:29:39.951 --> 00:29:41.173
 And I'm usually someone that
 
 00:29:41.232 --> 00:29:43.054
 dives in and I really,
 
 00:29:43.814 --> 00:29:46.555
 really grasp quite a lot of
 
 00:29:46.615 --> 00:29:47.496
 metaphysical topics.
 
 00:29:47.536 --> 00:29:48.596
 But that one, I'm just like,
 
 00:29:49.576 --> 00:29:51.278
 I don't understand.
 
 00:29:51.798 --> 00:29:53.479
 So, yeah.
 
 00:29:53.499 --> 00:29:54.358
 I was just going to say that
 
 00:29:54.378 --> 00:29:56.440
 you almost have to suspend
 
 00:29:58.320 --> 00:30:01.182
 your knowledge of time and
 
 00:30:01.262 --> 00:30:03.483
 space when you're studying the Kabbalah.
 
 00:30:04.041 --> 00:30:07.063
 because it will take on a life of its own.
 
 00:30:09.344 --> 00:30:10.483
 It sounds very woo woo,
 
 00:30:10.523 --> 00:30:13.325
 but it is quite honestly, deeply woo woo,
 
 00:30:13.845 --> 00:30:16.766
 but also deeply accessible.
 
 00:30:17.246 --> 00:30:18.426
 If you know the key,
 
 00:30:18.487 --> 00:30:19.926
 if you have the key to unlock it,
 
 00:30:20.867 --> 00:30:21.448
 I'd love to,
 
 00:30:21.508 --> 00:30:23.048
 I would love to take another course.
 
 00:30:23.407 --> 00:30:24.588
 I took a very introductory
 
 00:30:24.628 --> 00:30:26.528
 course with Bill years ago
 
 00:30:27.089 --> 00:30:28.309
 on the Kabbalah and we sort of
 
 00:30:29.678 --> 00:30:31.219
 The class kind of exploded
 
 00:30:31.459 --> 00:30:32.759
 because of some personality
 
 00:30:32.798 --> 00:30:33.539
 stuff that were going on
 
 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:34.460
 with a couple of the people
 
 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:34.960
 that were there.
 
 00:30:35.381 --> 00:30:36.740
 So Bill and I never, you know, we never,
 
 00:30:37.221 --> 00:30:38.721
 we were trying to get another one started,
 
 00:30:38.761 --> 00:30:40.001
 but it just didn't seem to happen.
 
 00:30:40.242 --> 00:30:43.044
 That's something Matt should be doing.
 
 00:30:43.084 --> 00:30:43.943
 He should be teaching.
 
 00:30:44.923 --> 00:30:45.565
 It's coming up.
 
 00:30:46.244 --> 00:30:47.144
 It's actually coming.
 
 00:30:47.265 --> 00:30:48.306
 He's in the new year.
 
 00:30:48.326 --> 00:30:49.726
 He's ready to teach that stuff.
 
 00:30:49.766 --> 00:30:50.686
 So,
 
 00:30:51.106 --> 00:30:52.948
 so do you find astrology can enhance
 
 00:30:52.988 --> 00:30:53.948
 other healing practices
 
 00:30:53.988 --> 00:30:55.749
 like energy work or meditation?
 
 00:30:56.497 --> 00:30:58.718
 I have had astrology help me
 
 00:30:58.758 --> 00:31:00.798
 with meditation in the
 
 00:31:00.858 --> 00:31:02.558
 sense that I can use the
 
 00:31:02.618 --> 00:31:05.019
 symbols of the planets if I
 
 00:31:05.059 --> 00:31:06.299
 want to access a certain
 
 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:07.601
 energy within myself.
 
 00:31:07.881 --> 00:31:09.761
 When I was still working as
 
 00:31:09.842 --> 00:31:11.021
 a proposal coordinator for
 
 00:31:11.041 --> 00:31:12.442
 an engineering firm in Baltimore,
 
 00:31:13.282 --> 00:31:13.883
 interpersonal
 
 00:31:13.903 --> 00:31:16.703
 communications can be challenging,
 
 00:31:17.804 --> 00:31:18.644
 especially when you're
 
 00:31:18.664 --> 00:31:20.345
 dealing with a very
 
 00:31:20.765 --> 00:31:22.865
 establishment oriented kind
 
 00:31:22.925 --> 00:31:25.807
 of business like engineering, a very male
 
 00:31:26.356 --> 00:31:28.818
 oriented business like engineering.
 
 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.582
 And I was having at that
 
 00:31:31.622 --> 00:31:33.242
 time some really difficult
 
 00:31:33.563 --> 00:31:35.565
 meeting of the minds with this one guy.
 
 00:31:36.346 --> 00:31:38.627
 So I literally spent about
 
 00:31:38.708 --> 00:31:40.689
 twenty minutes meditating
 
 00:31:40.950 --> 00:31:44.593
 on the concepts of the circle,
 
 00:31:44.772 --> 00:31:47.275
 which is the idea of of wholeness.
 
 00:31:48.011 --> 00:31:48.412
 You know,
 
 00:31:48.571 --> 00:31:51.913
 in astrology or in esoteric language,
 
 00:31:52.413 --> 00:31:54.634
 the dot represents the beginning.
 
 00:31:54.993 --> 00:31:56.994
 A circle is a bunch of dots
 
 00:31:57.115 --> 00:31:59.895
 that all meet to each other.
 
 00:31:59.976 --> 00:32:02.435
 And then the cross talks about material,
 
 00:32:02.476 --> 00:32:03.416
 the material world.
 
 00:32:04.096 --> 00:32:07.417
 And if you think about the original,
 
 00:32:07.498 --> 00:32:08.377
 I'm going to show you this.
 
 00:32:08.438 --> 00:32:09.597
 I'll hold it up to the camera.
 
 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:15.640
 This is what the original Mars glyph was.
 
 00:32:16.180 --> 00:32:17.941
 The cross on top of a circle.
 
 00:32:18.924 --> 00:32:21.685
 So the concept was using the
 
 00:32:21.705 --> 00:32:26.647
 material to conquer one's spirituality,
 
 00:32:26.688 --> 00:32:27.448
 which is interesting.
 
 00:32:27.788 --> 00:32:28.409
 If you note,
 
 00:32:28.509 --> 00:32:31.869
 if you invert that and do it like that,
 
 00:32:32.150 --> 00:32:33.529
 you have the Venus symbol.
 
 00:32:35.050 --> 00:32:37.471
 She is all knowing and
 
 00:32:37.511 --> 00:32:39.032
 receiving the material.
 
 00:32:39.792 --> 00:32:43.273
 So having those two concepts meditating,
 
 00:32:44.173 --> 00:32:45.255
 I was able to
 
 00:32:47.199 --> 00:32:49.160
 try to blunt a little bit of
 
 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:50.921
 my anger with this
 
 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.803
 individual and try to meet
 
 00:32:52.843 --> 00:32:55.604
 him where he was from the
 
 00:32:55.644 --> 00:32:57.164
 standpoint of him not being
 
 00:32:57.325 --> 00:32:58.685
 used to a strong woman.
 
 00:32:59.826 --> 00:33:01.387
 I played a little bit of the game.
 
 00:33:01.528 --> 00:33:04.130
 I used my, I won't say my feminine wows.
 
 00:33:04.170 --> 00:33:05.049
 I don't have any of those.
 
 00:33:06.651 --> 00:33:07.632
 I used more of the
 
 00:33:07.672 --> 00:33:10.574
 receptivity of Venus in
 
 00:33:10.653 --> 00:33:11.914
 conversations with him.
 
 00:33:12.875 --> 00:33:15.537
 I blunted my natural, aggressive,
 
 00:33:16.471 --> 00:33:19.355
 Mars oriented kind of speech
 
 00:33:19.394 --> 00:33:21.678
 patterns to allow him to
 
 00:33:21.718 --> 00:33:22.759
 feel less threatened.
 
 00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:24.421
 So I don't know if that
 
 00:33:24.601 --> 00:33:25.521
 answers your question,
 
 00:33:25.561 --> 00:33:27.585
 but I know that's how it worked for me.
 
 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:29.539
 Well,
 
 00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:31.362
 I think I can give an example as far
 
 00:33:31.402 --> 00:33:33.865
 as the the Tarot as far as
 
 00:33:34.244 --> 00:33:35.866
 meditating on on a
 
 00:33:35.926 --> 00:33:36.948
 particular card when we're
 
 00:33:36.968 --> 00:33:38.269
 not talking about astrology here,
 
 00:33:38.308 --> 00:33:41.211
 but I definitely made friends with Saturn,
 
 00:33:41.633 --> 00:33:42.192
 so to speak.
 
 00:33:42.673 --> 00:33:44.435
 So what that would be if
 
 00:33:44.476 --> 00:33:45.217
 someone doesn't understand
 
 00:33:45.237 --> 00:33:47.618
 that discipline, having, you know,
 
 00:33:47.719 --> 00:33:50.122
 time orientation and structures and
 
 00:33:50.561 --> 00:33:52.682
 maybe taking the structures to order,
 
 00:33:53.002 --> 00:33:53.403
 you know, and,
 
 00:33:53.522 --> 00:33:54.303
 and being a medium and
 
 00:33:54.343 --> 00:33:55.683
 being like a person that
 
 00:33:55.723 --> 00:33:57.683
 lives in a space of no time and, you know,
 
 00:33:57.723 --> 00:33:58.984
 present moment operation
 
 00:33:59.005 --> 00:34:00.144
 when you do readings and
 
 00:34:00.605 --> 00:34:02.266
 information comes in is scattered,
 
 00:34:02.326 --> 00:34:03.945
 not oriented to time and space.
 
 00:34:04.006 --> 00:34:04.145
 It's,
 
 00:34:04.526 --> 00:34:06.666
 it's like playing charades with like a,
 
 00:34:06.866 --> 00:34:08.047
 a non embodied person.
 
 00:34:09.887 --> 00:34:10.228
 Oh my God.
 
 00:34:10.268 --> 00:34:11.809
 That's a perfect way to describe it.
 
 00:34:11.849 --> 00:34:13.188
 That is exactly right.
 
 00:34:13.228 --> 00:34:15.389
 Because my, when I get information,
 
 00:34:15.510 --> 00:34:17.489
 it's shown to me in, in images.
 
 00:34:18.311 --> 00:34:19.490
 And that's, it's like,
 
 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:20.467
 What?
 
 00:34:22.867 --> 00:34:23.126
 Yeah.
 
 00:34:23.246 --> 00:34:24.327
 And why do you think so many
 
 00:34:24.367 --> 00:34:25.487
 mediums and intuitive
 
 00:34:25.507 --> 00:34:27.327
 readers come off as scatterbrained?
 
 00:34:27.407 --> 00:34:29.248
 Because that's the type of
 
 00:34:29.829 --> 00:34:32.670
 non-linear fashion in which
 
 00:34:32.750 --> 00:34:34.510
 the intuitive and creative mind,
 
 00:34:34.610 --> 00:34:35.251
 even that part,
 
 00:34:35.391 --> 00:34:37.490
 that operation of the brain works,
 
 00:34:37.510 --> 00:34:38.070
 the mechanism.
 
 00:34:38.110 --> 00:34:41.072
 But I've used astrology as meditation on,
 
 00:34:41.472 --> 00:34:43.253
 I need to get very organized,
 
 00:34:43.592 --> 00:34:45.233
 very structured here so
 
 00:34:45.253 --> 00:34:46.773
 that I can create a solid
 
 00:34:46.813 --> 00:34:48.293
 container to actually bring
 
 00:34:48.414 --> 00:34:49.675
 in all this information.
 
 00:34:49.755 --> 00:34:50.655
 I want details.
 
 00:34:51.094 --> 00:34:52.177
 And for the medical astrology too,
 
 00:34:52.297 --> 00:34:53.358
 I want details.
 
 00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:54.920
 So you can't get details
 
 00:34:54.940 --> 00:34:55.661
 when you're a nebulous,
 
 00:34:55.702 --> 00:34:57.384
 when you're kind of, well, yep.
 
 00:34:57.543 --> 00:34:58.885
 And I think using Saturn as
 
 00:34:58.905 --> 00:35:00.509
 a meditation tool and the
 
 00:35:00.628 --> 00:35:02.411
 emperor in Tarot.
 
 00:35:02.791 --> 00:35:03.954
 Right.
 
 00:35:03.974 --> 00:35:05.735
 You have to have a matrix in
 
 00:35:05.815 --> 00:35:06.657
 which to build.
 
 00:35:06.918 --> 00:35:07.458
 Exactly.
 
 00:35:07.807 --> 00:35:09.048
 right so the next question I
 
 00:35:09.088 --> 00:35:10.570
 have do you have any
 
 00:35:10.610 --> 00:35:13.172
 fascinating stories or case
 
 00:35:13.193 --> 00:35:14.353
 studies where astrology
 
 00:35:14.373 --> 00:35:15.815
 provided unexpected or
 
 00:35:15.875 --> 00:35:17.115
 life-changing insights for
 
 00:35:17.135 --> 00:35:18.436
 a client or student I know
 
 00:35:18.476 --> 00:35:19.418
 you already shared one but
 
 00:35:19.438 --> 00:35:20.539
 you have any others that
 
 00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:21.960
 you want to share yes
 
 00:35:22.099 --> 00:35:23.161
 actually I was just
 
 00:35:23.201 --> 00:35:24.983
 thinking of one um there
 
 00:35:25.003 --> 00:35:27.085
 was a young woman who uh
 
 00:35:27.125 --> 00:35:30.327
 was a she's a she's one of
 
 00:35:30.407 --> 00:35:31.608
 us she's a healer but she's
 
 00:35:31.708 --> 00:35:34.130
 also quite talented um
 
 00:35:35.393 --> 00:35:35.813
 physician.
 
 00:35:35.893 --> 00:35:36.534
 She's a doctor.
 
 00:35:37.335 --> 00:35:39.556
 And she wanted to open up a new business.
 
 00:35:39.596 --> 00:35:40.836
 She wanted to open up the
 
 00:35:41.398 --> 00:35:43.318
 sort of a way to mesh both
 
 00:35:43.378 --> 00:35:44.280
 sides of the coin.
 
 00:35:45.240 --> 00:35:47.842
 And she was, I have this feeling, Pat,
 
 00:35:47.882 --> 00:35:48.882
 it's supposed to be this year.
 
 00:35:48.902 --> 00:35:51.425
 And everything I was looking at was saying,
 
 00:35:52.106 --> 00:35:52.887
 not this year.
 
 00:35:53.567 --> 00:35:54.628
 Don't do it this year.
 
 00:35:55.347 --> 00:35:56.048
 And she didn't.
 
 00:35:57.349 --> 00:35:57.750
 Excuse me.
 
 00:35:57.769 --> 00:35:58.150
 She did.
 
 00:35:58.210 --> 00:35:59.771
 She tried to open it despite
 
 00:36:00.152 --> 00:36:00.893
 my suggestion.
 
 00:36:01.572 --> 00:36:02.574
 And she did open it.
 
 00:36:03.534 --> 00:36:05.036
 And it went belly up because
 
 00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:06.740
 the building that she bought
 
 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:08.561
 ended up having like some
 
 00:36:08.581 --> 00:36:10.123
 kind of a lean on it.
 
 00:36:10.322 --> 00:36:12.744
 And it was a mess in the courts.
 
 00:36:13.465 --> 00:36:14.284
 She lost everything.
 
 00:36:15.166 --> 00:36:19.387
 So yeah, so her, her impulse was right.
 
 00:36:19.708 --> 00:36:22.070
 She wanted to build this and she could,
 
 00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:23.871
 but the time she wanted to
 
 00:36:23.891 --> 00:36:26.032
 do it was not going to bode well.
 
 00:36:26.652 --> 00:36:27.112
 So yeah,
 
 00:36:27.152 --> 00:36:28.873
 that was one case where it was
 
 00:36:29.193 --> 00:36:30.295
 pretty profound and pretty,
 
 00:36:30.534 --> 00:36:31.255
 pretty impressive.
 
 00:36:32.795 --> 00:36:33.956
 She came back to me, she said,
 
 00:36:34.016 --> 00:36:38.681
 if you say no, I won't do it again.
 
 00:36:38.742 --> 00:36:39.382
 Yeah, that's a lot.
 
 00:36:39.402 --> 00:36:39.563
 I mean,
 
 00:36:39.943 --> 00:36:41.724
 the unexpected life-changing event
 
 00:36:41.905 --> 00:36:44.128
 insight that I got was told
 
 00:36:44.168 --> 00:36:46.090
 to me by my color puncture
 
 00:36:46.110 --> 00:36:46.829
 instructor when we were
 
 00:36:46.869 --> 00:36:48.271
 going and finishing our
 
 00:36:48.291 --> 00:36:49.492
 training and we were doing
 
 00:36:49.532 --> 00:36:50.855
 medical astrology-based things.
 
 00:36:50.894 --> 00:36:52.135
 And she said, hey,
 
 00:36:52.195 --> 00:36:53.077
 you have a Pluto-Moon
 
 00:36:53.137 --> 00:36:54.137
 conjunction happening.
 
 00:36:54.505 --> 00:36:55.465
 it's in your eighth house.
 
 00:36:55.485 --> 00:36:56.985
 It doesn't happen that often to people.
 
 00:36:57.025 --> 00:36:58.907
 And then I came to you, but she said to me,
 
 00:36:59.186 --> 00:37:00.148
 go get checked,
 
 00:37:00.487 --> 00:37:02.668
 like go get checked by your OBGYN.
 
 00:37:03.128 --> 00:37:04.289
 I had a cyst the size of a
 
 00:37:04.349 --> 00:37:05.389
 lime on my ovary.
 
 00:37:05.449 --> 00:37:06.590
 So we had to get it like a,
 
 00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:08.652
 like my leftover removed
 
 00:37:08.672 --> 00:37:09.711
 within a couple months.
 
 00:37:10.213 --> 00:37:11.472
 And that was sudden.
 
 00:37:11.753 --> 00:37:12.733
 And you were like, yep,
 
 00:37:12.793 --> 00:37:13.793
 that's pretty much what you
 
 00:37:13.813 --> 00:37:14.994
 would see in this chart.
 
 00:37:15.195 --> 00:37:15.974
 And yeah.
 
 00:37:16.295 --> 00:37:17.896
 So that was pretty profound.
 
 00:37:18.076 --> 00:37:19.016
 Yep.
 
 00:37:19.117 --> 00:37:21.458
 And for those who don't know Pluto,
 
 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.820
 is very associated with the eighth house.
 
 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:26.161
 It rules Scorpio,
 
 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:27.842
 but it also rules the
 
 00:37:28.583 --> 00:37:29.483
 reproductive system.
 
 00:37:30.242 --> 00:37:31.764
 So that makes absolute sense.
 
 00:37:32.103 --> 00:37:33.905
 Eighth house is surgery very often.
 
 00:37:35.025 --> 00:37:36.306
 I have surgery coming up myself.
 
 00:37:36.347 --> 00:37:36.987
 So I'm looking,
 
 00:37:37.967 --> 00:37:38.967
 my doctor only does
 
 00:37:39.027 --> 00:37:40.208
 surgeries on a certain day.
 
 00:37:40.248 --> 00:37:41.789
 So I'm like, okay, this is your window.
 
 00:37:43.391 --> 00:37:44.411
 Which day are you going to pick?
 
 00:37:44.451 --> 00:37:47.793
 Yep, for sure.
 
 00:37:48.152 --> 00:37:49.414
 And that's what I love.
 
 00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:51.271
 the idea that we have
 
 00:37:51.311 --> 00:37:53.030
 somebody like Jamie Faye nearby,
 
 00:37:53.851 --> 00:37:55.813
 because that's not work I do.
 
 00:37:56.032 --> 00:37:57.094
 It's not my gift.
 
 00:37:57.954 --> 00:38:00.355
 I'm sure if I wanted to and studied hard,
 
 00:38:00.514 --> 00:38:00.934
 I could,
 
 00:38:01.115 --> 00:38:02.476
 but it doesn't come naturally to
 
 00:38:02.516 --> 00:38:03.396
 me as it does to her.
 
 00:38:03.737 --> 00:38:04.978
 So I strongly encourage
 
 00:38:04.998 --> 00:38:06.597
 people who want to get that
 
 00:38:06.637 --> 00:38:08.298
 kind of insight into what
 
 00:38:08.338 --> 00:38:09.900
 might be going on for themselves,
 
 00:38:10.219 --> 00:38:11.380
 especially people who have
 
 00:38:11.420 --> 00:38:12.360
 something like Neptune
 
 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:13.601
 resting in the sixth house.
 
 00:38:14.521 --> 00:38:15.882
 Neptune is a planet that
 
 00:38:15.922 --> 00:38:19.425
 talks about the vague and confusions
 
 00:38:20.043 --> 00:38:22.105
 and illusion or things that are hidden.
 
 00:38:22.945 --> 00:38:24.268
 And if it's in the sixth house,
 
 00:38:24.307 --> 00:38:26.250
 this can mean all through your life,
 
 00:38:26.269 --> 00:38:28.032
 you have difficulties with
 
 00:38:28.552 --> 00:38:29.693
 illnesses that are really
 
 00:38:29.773 --> 00:38:30.934
 hard to diagnose,
 
 00:38:31.355 --> 00:38:33.297
 really hard to get a handle on.
 
 00:38:33.677 --> 00:38:34.699
 So having somebody like
 
 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:36.019
 Jamie Faye taking a really
 
 00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:37.561
 good look at the chart can help a lot.
 
 00:38:38.277 --> 00:38:40.619
 Yeah, and again, we don't diagnose,
 
 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:41.539
 we stay within our scope,
 
 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:42.860
 because even as a medical intuitive,
 
 00:38:42.981 --> 00:38:43.541
 I share this,
 
 00:38:43.842 --> 00:38:45.021
 but it helps to give you
 
 00:38:45.061 --> 00:38:46.643
 more insight so that you
 
 00:38:46.684 --> 00:38:49.126
 can then go to maybe that type of doctor,
 
 00:38:49.865 --> 00:38:51.967
 or that specialist, or this scan,
 
 00:38:52.068 --> 00:38:53.628
 or this arena,
 
 00:38:53.708 --> 00:38:54.969
 this area of the body may
 
 00:38:54.989 --> 00:38:55.871
 be the root cause.
 
 00:38:56.170 --> 00:38:56.911
 And this happens all the
 
 00:38:56.952 --> 00:38:57.733
 time with my reading,
 
 00:38:57.793 --> 00:38:59.333
 so I love the aspect.
 
 00:38:59.373 --> 00:39:00.494
 I'm not a medical astrologer,
 
 00:39:00.534 --> 00:39:01.335
 but I have a little bit of
 
 00:39:01.356 --> 00:39:02.597
 that under my belt from the training,
 
 00:39:02.797 --> 00:39:03.898
 but she's someone that goes
 
 00:39:03.958 --> 00:39:04.717
 deeper into that.
 
 00:39:04.757 --> 00:39:06.599
 So I think it's really, really cool.
 
 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:07.800
 But there's so many things
 
 00:39:07.820 --> 00:39:09.760
 you can do with astrology, right?
 
 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:10.561
 So many things.
 
 00:39:11.501 --> 00:39:11.661
 There is.
 
 00:39:11.681 --> 00:39:14.163
 I mean, there really, really is.
 
 00:39:14.902 --> 00:39:15.382
 You want to know,
 
 00:39:15.802 --> 00:39:17.103
 you wanted to know a unique
 
 00:39:17.143 --> 00:39:18.525
 thing you can do with astrology.
 
 00:39:18.565 --> 00:39:19.664
 People who are writers,
 
 00:39:20.465 --> 00:39:21.525
 and I've done this myself
 
 00:39:21.565 --> 00:39:22.465
 in creative writing.
 
 00:39:23.045 --> 00:39:24.186
 If you want to create a
 
 00:39:24.246 --> 00:39:25.847
 character that's fully believable,
 
 00:39:26.788 --> 00:39:27.887
 create a chart for them.
 
 00:39:28.909 --> 00:39:30.509
 Figure out when they would have been born.
 
 00:39:31.289 --> 00:39:32.150
 Erect the chart.
 
 00:39:32.170 --> 00:39:32.530
 You've got,
 
 00:39:32.670 --> 00:39:34.670
 you have real human characters.
 
 00:39:35.775 --> 00:39:37.056
 know the what I call the
 
 00:39:37.097 --> 00:39:38.036
 push me pull use the
 
 00:39:38.177 --> 00:39:39.577
 arguments inside yourself
 
 00:39:39.878 --> 00:39:40.719
 the things that you're good
 
 00:39:40.778 --> 00:39:41.559
 at the things that you're
 
 00:39:41.619 --> 00:39:42.900
 not where do you know
 
 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:44.340
 what's your ultimate you
 
 00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:47.222
 know emotional response it
 
 00:39:47.282 --> 00:39:49.003
 worked like a charm when I
 
 00:39:49.023 --> 00:39:50.085
 was writing a story with
 
 00:39:50.125 --> 00:39:51.865
 somebody we together put
 
 00:39:51.885 --> 00:39:53.266
 together this this short
 
 00:39:53.286 --> 00:39:55.208
 story and it was everybody
 
 00:39:55.248 --> 00:39:56.427
 said my god this character
 
 00:39:56.487 --> 00:39:57.349
 is so believable
 
 00:39:57.688 --> 00:39:59.108
 I said, well, if they had been born,
 
 00:39:59.168 --> 00:40:00.630
 this is what they would have been like.
 
 00:40:01.170 --> 00:40:02.391
 So it was perfect.
 
 00:40:02.431 --> 00:40:04.193
 You can do that also with tarot,
 
 00:40:04.512 --> 00:40:05.914
 but it's even more pointed
 
 00:40:06.134 --> 00:40:08.596
 and really hitting the
 
 00:40:08.635 --> 00:40:09.896
 nitty gritty with astrology.
 
 00:40:10.688 --> 00:40:11.869
 That is very profound
 
 00:40:11.889 --> 00:40:13.271
 because I can even say, you know,
 
 00:40:13.931 --> 00:40:15.572
 acting or act being an actress,
 
 00:40:16.333 --> 00:40:17.855
 running a chart and saying,
 
 00:40:17.894 --> 00:40:18.795
 let me just say this person
 
 00:40:18.815 --> 00:40:20.297
 was born in nineteen eighty six.
 
 00:40:20.356 --> 00:40:21.036
 They're female.
 
 00:40:21.056 --> 00:40:21.557
 This is the day.
 
 00:40:21.577 --> 00:40:23.179
 This is where they're born in the world.
 
 00:40:23.659 --> 00:40:24.559
 Then you not only have a
 
 00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.402
 personality template snapshot to say, oh,
 
 00:40:27.561 --> 00:40:29.744
 if you understand the astrologies, OK,
 
 00:40:29.943 --> 00:40:31.164
 but then you can also pull
 
 00:40:31.224 --> 00:40:32.246
 on what type of history
 
 00:40:32.266 --> 00:40:33.027
 they would have had based
 
 00:40:33.047 --> 00:40:35.088
 on that time frame where they were living,
 
 00:40:35.108 --> 00:40:35.849
 what culture.
 
 00:40:37.503 --> 00:40:39.724
 How would they respond to this?
 
 00:40:40.045 --> 00:40:41.284
 What was their relationship
 
 00:40:41.324 --> 00:40:42.146
 with their parents?
 
 00:40:42.186 --> 00:40:43.507
 So how did they deal with authority?
 
 00:40:44.347 --> 00:40:45.527
 What was their relationship
 
 00:40:45.547 --> 00:40:46.048
 with their mother?
 
 00:40:46.068 --> 00:40:48.269
 So how did they deal with nurturing?
 
 00:40:48.329 --> 00:40:50.010
 Is this somebody who keeps
 
 00:40:50.050 --> 00:40:51.592
 everybody at arm's length
 
 00:40:51.632 --> 00:40:53.273
 because it hurt to be loved?
 
 00:40:54.753 --> 00:40:57.155
 It's really powerful stuff.
 
 00:40:57.976 --> 00:40:59.297
 You can have a lot of
 
 00:40:59.336 --> 00:41:02.498
 amazing things can come out of astrology.
 
 00:41:02.539 --> 00:41:02.858
 Wow.
 
 00:41:03.059 --> 00:41:03.480
 I love that.
 
 00:41:03.619 --> 00:41:05.181
 That is a really unique way to use it.
 
 00:41:06.451 --> 00:41:07.731
 So we touched a little bit on this,
 
 00:41:07.791 --> 00:41:09.092
 but astrology is seen as a
 
 00:41:09.152 --> 00:41:10.193
 tool for self-empowerment.
 
 00:41:10.233 --> 00:41:12.275
 We talked about this in our last episode.
 
 00:41:12.295 --> 00:41:14.157
 We did that tarot or sorry,
 
 00:41:14.257 --> 00:41:15.998
 tarot and astrology used
 
 00:41:16.018 --> 00:41:17.139
 for self-empowerment.
 
 00:41:17.838 --> 00:41:17.938
 Um,
 
 00:41:18.059 --> 00:41:19.721
 and so how can our listeners use their
 
 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:20.400
 birth charts or
 
 00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:21.842
 astrological transits to
 
 00:41:21.882 --> 00:41:25.885
 empower themselves in difficult times?
 
 00:41:25.925 --> 00:41:26.945
 Well, that's a good question.
 
 00:41:27.326 --> 00:41:29.507
 Um, well just a natal chart,
 
 00:41:30.487 --> 00:41:31.449
 it can give you the
 
 00:41:31.509 --> 00:41:33.710
 permission to be who you are.
 
 00:41:35.172 --> 00:41:35.251
 Um,
 
 00:41:35.744 --> 00:41:36.304
 for example,
 
 00:41:36.344 --> 00:41:37.846
 let's say I'm looking at a
 
 00:41:37.905 --> 00:41:39.427
 chart and one thing you can
 
 00:41:39.467 --> 00:41:40.728
 look at without having any
 
 00:41:40.768 --> 00:41:42.387
 knowledge of what's going
 
 00:41:42.527 --> 00:41:45.690
 on is on that circle, you know,
 
 00:41:46.389 --> 00:41:47.530
 are a lot of the planets
 
 00:41:47.570 --> 00:41:48.871
 located in the lower part
 
 00:41:49.192 --> 00:41:50.793
 are a lot located in the upper part,
 
 00:41:51.313 --> 00:41:52.994
 on the left side, on the right side.
 
 00:41:53.494 --> 00:41:54.594
 That's going to give you an
 
 00:41:54.715 --> 00:41:56.556
 idea of how somebody responds.
 
 00:41:56.835 --> 00:41:58.056
 People with a whole lot of
 
 00:41:58.096 --> 00:41:59.257
 planets in the lower
 
 00:41:59.317 --> 00:42:01.398
 hemisphere of the chart are
 
 00:42:01.458 --> 00:42:02.217
 private people.
 
 00:42:02.918 --> 00:42:03.358
 They need
 
 00:42:04.371 --> 00:42:05.152
 to process.
 
 00:42:05.492 --> 00:42:07.753
 They take in information and
 
 00:42:07.773 --> 00:42:10.873
 they have to be able to withdraw, process,
 
 00:42:11.132 --> 00:42:12.994
 then come back and share
 
 00:42:13.034 --> 00:42:13.753
 their point of view.
 
 00:42:14.273 --> 00:42:15.653
 I can't tell you how many
 
 00:42:15.713 --> 00:42:17.554
 times I've had people with
 
 00:42:18.195 --> 00:42:19.295
 lower hemisphere heavy
 
 00:42:19.355 --> 00:42:21.335
 charts have parents that
 
 00:42:21.514 --> 00:42:23.996
 push them too hard to be
 
 00:42:24.056 --> 00:42:25.076
 somebody they weren't.
 
 00:42:25.635 --> 00:42:25.876
 I said,
 
 00:42:25.916 --> 00:42:27.315
 you have absolute permission to
 
 00:42:27.376 --> 00:42:28.717
 tell somebody to go pound
 
 00:42:28.797 --> 00:42:29.976
 salt if they can't wait for
 
 00:42:30.016 --> 00:42:30.956
 you to make a decision.
 
 00:42:31.831 --> 00:42:33.974
 you are wired in such a way
 
 00:42:34.353 --> 00:42:36.175
 that you need to step back
 
 00:42:36.456 --> 00:42:37.197
 and look at the whole
 
 00:42:37.237 --> 00:42:39.117
 picture and if others don't
 
 00:42:39.157 --> 00:42:42.201
 like that too bad you know
 
 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:44.001
 let's say all of your
 
 00:42:44.041 --> 00:42:45.384
 planets are resting over on
 
 00:42:45.403 --> 00:42:46.465
 the right hand side of the
 
 00:42:46.505 --> 00:42:50.148
 chart that's very much a
 
 00:42:50.228 --> 00:42:52.268
 case of someone who rarely
 
 00:42:52.309 --> 00:42:53.489
 gets the chance to call
 
 00:42:53.530 --> 00:42:55.211
 their own shots it's
 
 00:42:55.251 --> 00:42:56.112
 somebody whose chart is
 
 00:42:56.172 --> 00:42:57.614
 mostly western oriented
 
 00:42:58.398 --> 00:42:59.460
 I know it's opposite from
 
 00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:00.860
 what you would think, but in a chart,
 
 00:43:01.181 --> 00:43:02.121
 the left-hand side of the
 
 00:43:02.141 --> 00:43:02.822
 chart is the East,
 
 00:43:02.862 --> 00:43:04.802
 the right-hand side of the
 
 00:43:04.822 --> 00:43:05.503
 chart is the West.
 
 00:43:06.063 --> 00:43:07.864
 People with a strong Western
 
 00:43:08.746 --> 00:43:11.728
 side generally have to deal
 
 00:43:11.827 --> 00:43:15.251
 with the slings and arrows
 
 00:43:15.291 --> 00:43:17.012
 of outrageous fortune, shall we say.
 
 00:43:17.311 --> 00:43:18.373
 They have to ride on the
 
 00:43:18.413 --> 00:43:20.673
 wave of what other people's
 
 00:43:20.893 --> 00:43:22.474
 actions prompt,
 
 00:43:22.856 --> 00:43:24.297
 and then they have to respond.
 
 00:43:24.597 --> 00:43:27.719
 They are far more reactive than proactive.
 
 00:43:28.496 --> 00:43:30.197
 Those with many planets on
 
 00:43:30.217 --> 00:43:31.697
 the eastern side, the left,
 
 00:43:32.498 --> 00:43:33.637
 much more call the shots in
 
 00:43:33.657 --> 00:43:34.398
 their own lives,
 
 00:43:34.898 --> 00:43:36.478
 very much more are able to
 
 00:43:38.659 --> 00:43:41.360
 be a lot more impulsive in a positive way,
 
 00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:43.501
 a lot more proactive.
 
 00:43:44.382 --> 00:43:44.922
 And as I mentioned,
 
 00:43:44.943 --> 00:43:45.842
 the last one that I haven't
 
 00:43:45.882 --> 00:43:47.083
 mentioned is the upper chart.
 
 00:43:47.784 --> 00:43:48.603
 These are the people,
 
 00:43:48.684 --> 00:43:50.385
 and I know you've probably met some,
 
 00:43:51.175 --> 00:43:52.074
 They have no choice.
 
 00:43:52.114 --> 00:43:53.476
 They have to live their life
 
 00:43:53.735 --> 00:43:54.755
 right out in the open.
 
 00:43:54.795 --> 00:43:55.416
 They make their,
 
 00:43:55.576 --> 00:43:57.235
 they have their best glories in the open.
 
 00:43:57.255 --> 00:43:58.217
 They make their biggest
 
 00:43:58.317 --> 00:43:59.456
 mistakes out in the open.
 
 00:44:00.297 --> 00:44:03.717
 And that's me.
 
 00:44:04.498 --> 00:44:06.157
 And it's something that can
 
 00:44:06.217 --> 00:44:08.139
 be very hard to deal with.
 
 00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:09.739
 If you know,
 
 00:44:09.778 --> 00:44:11.119
 you would just for once love
 
 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:11.940
 to be able to make a
 
 00:44:12.139 --> 00:44:13.019
 mistake and not have the
 
 00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:13.579
 whole world see it.
 
 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.380
 Yes.
 
 00:44:15.541 --> 00:44:17.161
 Learning how to deal with that is,
 
 00:44:17.972 --> 00:44:19.492
 is an interesting journey.
 
 00:44:19.552 --> 00:44:20.572
 But giving yourself
 
 00:44:20.632 --> 00:44:22.893
 permission then is
 
 00:44:23.253 --> 00:44:24.153
 two-thirds of the battle.
 
 00:44:24.594 --> 00:44:26.255
 This is what you were wired to be.
 
 00:44:26.815 --> 00:44:27.474
 And we need you.
 
 00:44:27.635 --> 00:44:29.896
 We need every energy on this planet.
 
 00:44:30.115 --> 00:44:32.416
 We need them for whatever reason.
 
 00:44:33.293 --> 00:44:34.235
 Now, if someone,
 
 00:44:34.275 --> 00:44:35.076
 I'm just going to kind of
 
 00:44:35.295 --> 00:44:36.536
 backpedal here for a second.
 
 00:44:36.916 --> 00:44:38.559
 If someone's not seen a
 
 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:39.639
 birth chart and they don't
 
 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.340
 know what you mean by a birth chart,
 
 00:44:41.481 --> 00:44:41.722
 you know,
 
 00:44:41.742 --> 00:44:42.963
 you're thinking a doctor who has
 
 00:44:43.302 --> 00:44:44.304
 your medical records and
 
 00:44:44.324 --> 00:44:45.025
 they're just like writing,
 
 00:44:45.204 --> 00:44:46.286
 what does the chart look like?
 
 00:44:46.806 --> 00:44:47.166
 For me,
 
 00:44:47.206 --> 00:44:48.467
 if I were to explain someone what
 
 00:44:48.487 --> 00:44:49.088
 it looks like,
 
 00:44:49.309 --> 00:44:50.269
 it looks like a circle
 
 00:44:50.329 --> 00:44:51.610
 that's divided into twelve
 
 00:44:51.650 --> 00:44:53.632
 pieces of a pie, like a pie,
 
 00:44:54.393 --> 00:44:56.775
 and it has astrological
 
 00:44:57.356 --> 00:44:59.938
 points and symbols all over around.
 
 00:45:00.117 --> 00:45:01.538
 And then it shows angles in
 
 00:45:01.577 --> 00:45:03.398
 which to these these points
 
 00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:05.360
 have connected to each other.
 
 00:45:05.420 --> 00:45:07.121
 And it kind of looks like it
 
 00:45:07.181 --> 00:45:09.362
 looks very beautiful as far as art,
 
 00:45:09.842 --> 00:45:10.202
 I think.
 
 00:45:10.222 --> 00:45:11.543
 I agree.
 
 00:45:12.023 --> 00:45:12.525
 I agree.
 
 00:45:12.585 --> 00:45:12.864
 All right.
 
 00:45:12.945 --> 00:45:17.146
 So if someone's really new to astrology,
 
 00:45:18.047 --> 00:45:18.927
 what is a good starting
 
 00:45:18.967 --> 00:45:19.768
 point for them to begin
 
 00:45:19.809 --> 00:45:21.489
 learning and applying it to their lives?
 
 00:45:21.929 --> 00:45:22.690
 Take my class.
 
 00:45:25.110 --> 00:45:25.952
 All kidding aside,
 
 00:45:26.619 --> 00:45:29.300
 I would say, read the book,
 
 00:45:29.619 --> 00:45:33.621
 The Inner Sky by Stephen Forrest.
 
 00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:36.161
 He approaches astrology from
 
 00:45:36.221 --> 00:45:38.041
 an incredibly spiritual standpoint.
 
 00:45:38.702 --> 00:45:40.402
 He doesn't just tell you, yeah,
 
 00:45:40.463 --> 00:45:42.463
 you've got this weakness in your chart.
 
 00:45:42.882 --> 00:45:45.284
 He also tells you how to work with it,
 
 00:45:45.704 --> 00:45:46.804
 how to build from it.
 
 00:45:46.943 --> 00:45:47.384
 I used to,
 
 00:45:47.403 --> 00:45:51.045
 when I taught a regular Astro one-on-one,
 
 00:45:51.065 --> 00:45:51.284
 you know,
 
 00:45:51.304 --> 00:45:52.666
 where you're literally learning
 
 00:45:52.706 --> 00:45:53.766
 how to cast your own chart,
 
 00:45:53.826 --> 00:45:54.286
 all nine yards.
 
 00:45:54.929 --> 00:45:57.231
 I used Stephen's books as textbooks.
 
 00:45:58.170 --> 00:45:59.791
 But it's a wonderful starting place.
 
 00:45:59.851 --> 00:46:03.833
 He writes in a very accessible way.
 
 00:46:05.072 --> 00:46:07.074
 And he tells, he's very,
 
 00:46:07.134 --> 00:46:08.373
 he's filled with humor and
 
 00:46:08.693 --> 00:46:09.855
 he's a wonderful Capricorn.
 
 00:46:09.894 --> 00:46:10.914
 He reminds me a lot of Bill.
 
 00:46:12.155 --> 00:46:14.416
 They're both good, strong Capricorns.
 
 00:46:15.076 --> 00:46:16.876
 So I would say start with that.
 
 00:46:17.481 --> 00:46:18.661
 then take a look at your
 
 00:46:18.702 --> 00:46:20.483
 chart and you can generate
 
 00:46:20.503 --> 00:46:22.405
 them for free online in a
 
 00:46:22.545 --> 00:46:23.626
 number of different places.
 
 00:46:24.226 --> 00:46:29.190
 One of them is www.astro.com.
 
 00:46:29.650 --> 00:46:30.931
 And if you look through that website,
 
 00:46:30.951 --> 00:46:32.231
 you'll see the opportunity
 
 00:46:32.251 --> 00:46:33.793
 to be able to cast your own chart.
 
 00:46:34.494 --> 00:46:36.094
 And you can look at the,
 
 00:46:37.396 --> 00:46:38.817
 I call them the cookbook
 
 00:46:38.996 --> 00:46:42.780
 kinds of references where, okay,
 
 00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:44.181
 I have Mars and Aries.
 
 00:46:44.322 --> 00:46:46.163
 So I'd look up what Mars and Aries means.
 
 00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:48.621
 The difficulty with that is
 
 00:46:48.661 --> 00:46:50.121
 that you're getting a very
 
 00:46:50.802 --> 00:46:52.063
 splintered view.
 
 00:46:52.822 --> 00:46:53.543
 When I teach,
 
 00:46:53.704 --> 00:46:54.983
 I like my students to
 
 00:46:55.264 --> 00:46:56.784
 integrate everything together.
 
 00:46:56.864 --> 00:46:57.025
 Nope,
 
 00:46:57.224 --> 00:46:59.606
 very few people have what's called an
 
 00:46:59.786 --> 00:47:01.027
 unaspected planet.
 
 00:47:02.527 --> 00:47:04.088
 An unaspected planet means
 
 00:47:04.148 --> 00:47:05.269
 it's literally sitting
 
 00:47:05.289 --> 00:47:07.110
 there in whatever sign it's
 
 00:47:07.210 --> 00:47:08.431
 in and it doesn't connect
 
 00:47:08.451 --> 00:47:10.572
 with any other planet in the chart.
 
 00:47:11.413 --> 00:47:12.233
 That's rare.
 
 00:47:12.934 --> 00:47:15.074
 And even if it is in another area,
 
 00:47:15.114 --> 00:47:15.335
 you know,
 
 00:47:16.148 --> 00:47:18.090
 even if it's not touching another planet,
 
 00:47:18.170 --> 00:47:19.231
 it's in a house.
 
 00:47:20.070 --> 00:47:21.893
 Some houses are comfortable
 
 00:47:21.952 --> 00:47:24.614
 for some planets, some houses aren't.
 
 00:47:25.275 --> 00:47:27.617
 Mars in the seventh house of
 
 00:47:27.918 --> 00:47:30.320
 marriage and committed relationship,
 
 00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:32.240
 that can be a challenge
 
 00:47:32.862 --> 00:47:35.503
 because Mars is all me, self.
 
 00:47:36.143 --> 00:47:37.885
 And if you put that into the seventh house,
 
 00:47:37.925 --> 00:47:39.086
 you can imagine the kind of
 
 00:47:40.228 --> 00:47:41.307
 relationship issues that
 
 00:47:41.347 --> 00:47:42.909
 particular person may be having.
 
 00:47:43.791 --> 00:47:45.673
 Um, so, you know, it's, it's hard to say,
 
 00:47:45.853 --> 00:47:46.974
 I would definitely start
 
 00:47:46.994 --> 00:47:48.456
 with reading Steven's book.
 
 00:47:49.016 --> 00:47:50.679
 Cause it's, it really is outstanding.
 
 00:47:51.775 --> 00:47:54.637
 So if you want to share, you know,
 
 00:47:54.657 --> 00:47:56.239
 there's two more questions here.
 
 00:47:56.378 --> 00:47:57.059
 You know,
 
 00:47:57.139 --> 00:47:58.119
 I think we talked about this in
 
 00:47:58.139 --> 00:47:58.780
 the last episode,
 
 00:47:58.800 --> 00:47:59.981
 but I want to touch on it again.
 
 00:48:00.682 --> 00:48:02.023
 The myth or misconception
 
 00:48:02.043 --> 00:48:02.925
 that people have that you'd
 
 00:48:02.945 --> 00:48:04.206
 like to clear up about
 
 00:48:04.686 --> 00:48:05.606
 anything about astrology,
 
 00:48:05.847 --> 00:48:07.447
 maybe about Mercury retrograde,
 
 00:48:07.588 --> 00:48:08.429
 about all this stuff that
 
 00:48:08.449 --> 00:48:09.489
 you're seeing as astrology
 
 00:48:09.510 --> 00:48:10.791
 becomes more pop culture.
 
 00:48:11.090 --> 00:48:11.952
 What are the things you're like,
 
 00:48:12.032 --> 00:48:13.413
 oh my gosh, this is such a myth.
 
 00:48:13.452 --> 00:48:14.494
 It's such a misconception.
 
 00:48:14.554 --> 00:48:16.235
 Please stop repeating this to everyone.
 
 00:48:18.248 --> 00:48:20.068
 I would say stop thinking
 
 00:48:20.369 --> 00:48:21.809
 that having squares in your
 
 00:48:21.849 --> 00:48:24.652
 chart means you're afflicted.
 
 00:48:24.672 --> 00:48:26.032
 Let me put that now into English.
 
 00:48:26.072 --> 00:48:27.594
 Now that I've said that in astrologies,
 
 00:48:28.514 --> 00:48:29.936
 there are aspects in the
 
 00:48:29.976 --> 00:48:31.836
 chart that can be challenging,
 
 00:48:32.757 --> 00:48:35.119
 but only in the sense that
 
 00:48:35.139 --> 00:48:36.440
 they make you work a little harder.
 
 00:48:38.161 --> 00:48:40.161
 The ninety degree angle is
 
 00:48:40.202 --> 00:48:40.983
 called a square.
 
 00:48:41.182 --> 00:48:42.523
 It's when a planet is
 
 00:48:42.704 --> 00:48:44.085
 literally ninety degrees
 
 00:48:44.445 --> 00:48:45.525
 away from another planet.
 
 00:48:47.492 --> 00:48:49.393
 where some people would freak out,
 
 00:48:49.793 --> 00:48:50.253
 oh my God,
 
 00:48:50.273 --> 00:48:52.036
 there's so many squares in this chart.
 
 00:48:52.476 --> 00:48:54.036
 I look at that and say, my goodness,
 
 00:48:54.056 --> 00:48:56.018
 look at all of the energy in that chart.
 
 00:48:56.458 --> 00:48:59.081
 Look at all of the things
 
 00:48:59.141 --> 00:49:01.742
 this person has had to overcome,
 
 00:49:02.264 --> 00:49:03.264
 compensate for,
 
 00:49:03.445 --> 00:49:05.766
 figure out in order to just
 
 00:49:05.867 --> 00:49:07.507
 keep on living and being successful.
 
 00:49:09.257 --> 00:49:11.079
 Squares are what get us out
 
 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:11.780
 of bed in the morning.
 
 00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:14.181
 Squares are what give us the
 
 00:49:14.221 --> 00:49:16.302
 motivation and drive to succeed.
 
 00:49:16.882 --> 00:49:18.684
 If you want to know what
 
 00:49:18.744 --> 00:49:21.284
 it's like to have too many trines,
 
 00:49:21.985 --> 00:49:22.766
 triangles,
 
 00:49:23.005 --> 00:49:24.626
 hundred and twenty degree angles,
 
 00:49:24.987 --> 00:49:26.827
 which everybody, oh, that's so beautiful.
 
 00:49:26.867 --> 00:49:27.628
 It's a gift.
 
 00:49:29.150 --> 00:49:29.610
 Most,
 
 00:49:30.851 --> 00:49:35.574
 most con men and criminals have a lot
 
 00:49:35.773 --> 00:49:37.875
 of easy aspects in their charts.
 
 00:49:39.315 --> 00:49:40.175
 Because they were able to
 
 00:49:40.195 --> 00:49:41.115
 get away with stuff.
 
 00:49:41.195 --> 00:49:43.317
 They were able, life was so easy,
 
 00:49:43.336 --> 00:49:44.777
 they didn't know what to do
 
 00:49:45.237 --> 00:49:46.077
 when it got hard.
 
 00:49:46.998 --> 00:49:48.639
 So it's really fascinating
 
 00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:53.041
 to let go of the bad.
 
 00:49:53.420 --> 00:49:54.900
 Saturn is bad, like you said,
 
 00:49:54.961 --> 00:49:55.902
 make friends with Saturn.
 
 00:49:55.981 --> 00:49:56.782
 Saturn is bad.
 
 00:49:56.922 --> 00:49:59.844
 No, Saturn keeps body and soul together.
 
 00:50:00.244 --> 00:50:00.903
 It's not bad.
 
 00:50:01.476 --> 00:50:02.418
 Squares are bad.
 
 00:50:02.518 --> 00:50:02.777
 No,
 
 00:50:02.838 --> 00:50:04.699
 they're the engines of the chart that
 
 00:50:04.759 --> 00:50:05.780
 keep you moving.
 
 00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:07.360
 Pluto is bad.
 
 00:50:07.420 --> 00:50:09.621
 Well, sometimes Pluto can be challenging,
 
 00:50:10.121 --> 00:50:12.284
 but what it does is gives transformation.
 
 00:50:12.724 --> 00:50:16.786
 It makes the potential for,
 
 00:50:16.826 --> 00:50:17.586
 to give you an idea,
 
 00:50:18.126 --> 00:50:20.548
 the three gods of change, Uranus, Neptune,
 
 00:50:20.748 --> 00:50:21.349
 and Pluto.
 
 00:50:22.070 --> 00:50:24.010
 Uranus' way to make change
 
 00:50:24.050 --> 00:50:25.050
 in a transit when the
 
 00:50:25.891 --> 00:50:26.731
 Uranus that's floating
 
 00:50:26.751 --> 00:50:27.592
 around up there right now
 
 00:50:27.873 --> 00:50:29.333
 makes connections with your chart
 
 00:50:30.139 --> 00:50:32.681
 Its method of change is the sudden change,
 
 00:50:32.722 --> 00:50:33.362
 the swift,
 
 00:50:33.402 --> 00:50:35.123
 like a lightning bolt kind of change,
 
 00:50:35.465 --> 00:50:37.025
 out of nowhere kind of thing.
 
 00:50:38.027 --> 00:50:39.507
 Neptune is eroding.
 
 00:50:39.789 --> 00:50:41.389
 Think of the Colorado River
 
 00:50:41.429 --> 00:50:42.471
 going through and creating
 
 00:50:42.490 --> 00:50:43.291
 the Grand Canyon.
 
 00:50:44.793 --> 00:50:46.474
 Pluto is like a nuclear bomb.
 
 00:50:47.175 --> 00:50:49.516
 It will blow apart what's
 
 00:50:49.556 --> 00:50:51.759
 there to make room for what must come.
 
 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.360
 It is ruthless.
 
 00:50:54.260 --> 00:50:56.163
 It can be painful if you fight it.
 
 00:50:57.130 --> 00:50:58.592
 there is absolutely no doubt
 
 00:50:58.632 --> 00:50:59.432
 that when you are on the
 
 00:50:59.472 --> 00:51:00.733
 other side and you look
 
 00:51:00.773 --> 00:51:01.775
 back and know that you
 
 00:51:01.835 --> 00:51:04.257
 survived it's like I'm not
 
 00:51:04.318 --> 00:51:07.059
 the person I was so I don't
 
 00:51:07.099 --> 00:51:08.621
 think there is anything in
 
 00:51:08.681 --> 00:51:10.864
 astrology that's really bad
 
 00:51:11.704 --> 00:51:13.365
 I think everything is
 
 00:51:14.306 --> 00:51:16.628
 everything has its season is the best
 
 00:51:18.536 --> 00:51:19.516
 And I could probably share
 
 00:51:19.556 --> 00:51:20.817
 an example that you could talk on,
 
 00:51:20.916 --> 00:51:22.237
 and I'm happy for you to
 
 00:51:22.657 --> 00:51:24.137
 use my chart as an example.
 
 00:51:25.259 --> 00:51:26.219
 At least in the pattern app,
 
 00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:28.739
 it says I have a Pluto square, my moon,
 
 00:51:28.780 --> 00:51:29.500
 and Capricorn.
 
 00:51:29.980 --> 00:51:30.760
 And so for me,
 
 00:51:30.981 --> 00:51:33.302
 my themes in my life is
 
 00:51:33.362 --> 00:51:34.661
 feeling either disempowered
 
 00:51:34.681 --> 00:51:35.483
 or feeling empowered.
 
 00:51:35.963 --> 00:51:38.903
 I have a life purpose in my head
 
 00:51:39.304 --> 00:51:41.744
 to find what true power means,
 
 00:51:41.885 --> 00:51:43.144
 not power over people,
 
 00:51:43.445 --> 00:51:44.485
 seeing the misuse of power
 
 00:51:44.505 --> 00:51:45.505
 and authority in our life,
 
 00:51:45.545 --> 00:51:46.686
 that being a trigger for me,
 
 00:51:46.925 --> 00:51:47.766
 but also knowing that
 
 00:51:47.786 --> 00:51:48.846
 that's part of my purpose
 
 00:51:48.865 --> 00:51:49.686
 because we have so much of
 
 00:51:49.706 --> 00:51:50.927
 that in this culture right now.
 
 00:51:51.166 --> 00:51:52.706
 It's a point of energy.
 
 00:51:52.746 --> 00:51:53.686
 You said that square as an
 
 00:51:53.847 --> 00:51:55.427
 energy driving me forward
 
 00:51:55.447 --> 00:51:56.407
 to help people find
 
 00:51:56.447 --> 00:51:57.128
 empowerment within
 
 00:51:57.168 --> 00:51:58.708
 themselves and especially
 
 00:51:58.768 --> 00:51:59.849
 emotional empowerment
 
 00:51:59.869 --> 00:52:00.588
 because the moon is the
 
 00:52:00.628 --> 00:52:03.869
 emotions and mine in Saturn, Saturn,
 
 00:52:04.269 --> 00:52:05.610
 Saturn, Capricorn, I'm sorry, is my moon.
 
 00:52:06.030 --> 00:52:07.050
 is like the structure.
 
 00:52:07.309 --> 00:52:08.510
 How do we create structure
 
 00:52:08.871 --> 00:52:09.630
 and understanding the
 
 00:52:09.670 --> 00:52:10.771
 structure of our emotions,
 
 00:52:10.791 --> 00:52:12.050
 our structure of our psyche,
 
 00:52:12.791 --> 00:52:13.811
 the rules of our psyche?
 
 00:52:13.831 --> 00:52:14.612
 And it's in the eighth house.
 
 00:52:14.652 --> 00:52:17.992
 So it's like the depth and hidden things.
 
 00:52:18.871 --> 00:52:20.413
 Well, let's take it one step further.
 
 00:52:20.512 --> 00:52:22.273
 If we're talking about transformation,
 
 00:52:22.313 --> 00:52:23.293
 blowing things apart,
 
 00:52:23.672 --> 00:52:25.012
 you in your lifetime have
 
 00:52:25.072 --> 00:52:27.934
 had to reform your whole
 
 00:52:27.974 --> 00:52:29.934
 concept of what nurturing means,
 
 00:52:30.474 --> 00:52:33.574
 your whole concept of self-acceptance,
 
 00:52:34.612 --> 00:52:37.534
 Your concept, what is a woman?
 
 00:52:37.615 --> 00:52:37.856
 I mean,
 
 00:52:38.456 --> 00:52:40.097
 everything has gone through
 
 00:52:40.699 --> 00:52:42.260
 dramatic transformation
 
 00:52:42.681 --> 00:52:43.961
 multiple times and will
 
 00:52:44.001 --> 00:52:45.043
 continue to do so.
 
 00:52:45.344 --> 00:52:47.827
 That's a natal aspect for you.
 
 00:52:48.567 --> 00:52:50.009
 And whenever something in
 
 00:52:50.028 --> 00:52:50.949
 the heavens is going on
 
 00:52:50.969 --> 00:52:52.371
 that kicks off the moon or
 
 00:52:52.411 --> 00:52:54.132
 kicks off Pluto,
 
 00:52:54.414 --> 00:52:56.556
 that's when it will be activated for you.
 
 00:52:56.965 --> 00:52:57.206
 Yeah.
 
 00:52:57.286 --> 00:53:00.007
 And I, I really love it.
 
 00:53:00.268 --> 00:53:01.469
 Like, I feel like I'm always,
 
 00:53:01.768 --> 00:53:03.030
 especially as an Aries, who's like,
 
 00:53:03.329 --> 00:53:03.990
 I want adventure.
 
 00:53:04.030 --> 00:53:05.811
 I want new things, new things, new things.
 
 00:53:05.851 --> 00:53:08.693
 It's like, oh, a new challenge,
 
 00:53:09.253 --> 00:53:10.394
 a new challenge.
 
 00:53:11.094 --> 00:53:11.514
 Well, well,
 
 00:53:11.594 --> 00:53:12.775
 so basically we're saying is like,
 
 00:53:13.096 --> 00:53:13.896
 I'm passionate about
 
 00:53:13.936 --> 00:53:14.998
 personal empowerment.
 
 00:53:15.498 --> 00:53:17.099
 It's, it's why I'm here.
 
 00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:17.358
 It,
 
 00:53:17.418 --> 00:53:18.880
 what keeps challenging me in my own
 
 00:53:18.940 --> 00:53:19.561
 personal life.
 
 00:53:19.701 --> 00:53:22.242
 Then I, of course, climbed that mountain,
 
 00:53:22.282 --> 00:53:23.282
 climbed to the top of that.
 
 00:53:23.742 --> 00:53:24.264
 Oh yes.
 
 00:53:24.804 --> 00:53:25.063
 Yes.
 
 00:53:25.083 --> 00:53:26.045
 Now what's the next?
 
 00:53:27.065 --> 00:53:28.326
 Reflect your memory.
 
 00:53:29.465 --> 00:53:30.505
 Your moon is in the eighth,
 
 00:53:30.525 --> 00:53:31.726
 so your Pluto's in the sixth?
 
 00:53:31.827 --> 00:53:33.788
 Yeah, my Pluto's in the late fifth.
 
 00:53:34.148 --> 00:53:34.788
 Late fifth.
 
 00:53:34.947 --> 00:53:36.168
 Late fifth into the sixth.
 
 00:53:36.528 --> 00:53:37.869
 So the best way for you to
 
 00:53:37.989 --> 00:53:39.829
 utilize that is in a creative function.
 
 00:53:39.849 --> 00:53:40.510
 Yes, exactly.
 
 00:53:40.550 --> 00:53:41.951
 Creating content,
 
 00:53:41.990 --> 00:53:43.251
 creating stuff for helping
 
 00:53:43.291 --> 00:53:44.871
 people transform, creating programs,
 
 00:53:44.911 --> 00:53:47.172
 creating anything, art, music.
 
 00:53:47.233 --> 00:53:48.054
 That's it.
 
 00:53:48.153 --> 00:53:49.014
 That's it.
 
 00:53:49.393 --> 00:53:50.494
 Yeah.
 
 00:53:50.514 --> 00:53:51.574
 There's so much.
 
 00:53:51.755 --> 00:53:52.574
 Oh my God,
 
 00:53:52.594 --> 00:53:53.576
 I could talk about this all day.
 
 00:53:54.655 --> 00:53:56.338
 But can't you see then why,
 
 00:53:56.577 --> 00:53:58.378
 if you know your astrology birth chart,
 
 00:53:58.579 --> 00:53:59.940
 how the self-awareness can,
 
 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:01.581
 if you're stuck, if you're cycling,
 
 00:54:01.621 --> 00:54:02.382
 if you're looping,
 
 00:54:02.661 --> 00:54:03.561
 and even if you're just
 
 00:54:03.581 --> 00:54:05.083
 going through a transition in your life,
 
 00:54:05.103 --> 00:54:06.585
 like how much it can be supportive.
 
 00:54:06.885 --> 00:54:09.967
 That's why I don't, I know, Pat.
 
 00:54:10.467 --> 00:54:11.987
 that there are politicians,
 
 00:54:12.706 --> 00:54:14.788
 many people in the acting
 
 00:54:15.248 --> 00:54:18.768
 and the media performance industry,
 
 00:54:18.829 --> 00:54:19.949
 they use this,
 
 00:54:20.009 --> 00:54:21.409
 but they don't talk about
 
 00:54:21.429 --> 00:54:22.789
 it because why don't I want
 
 00:54:22.809 --> 00:54:25.369
 to know that I used an astrologer to pick,
 
 00:54:25.469 --> 00:54:26.429
 you know,
 
 00:54:26.449 --> 00:54:27.829
 that it is a thing has been a
 
 00:54:27.869 --> 00:54:29.431
 thing for a long time.
 
 00:54:29.891 --> 00:54:30.010
 Well,
 
 00:54:30.210 --> 00:54:31.891
 I've forgotten now which millionaire
 
 00:54:31.931 --> 00:54:32.630
 it was that said
 
 00:54:32.731 --> 00:54:35.211
 millionaires don't believe in astrology.
 
 00:54:35.291 --> 00:54:36.891
 Billionaires wouldn't work without one.
 
 00:54:39.070 --> 00:54:40.190
 Isn't that a great quote?
 
 00:54:40.690 --> 00:54:41.751
 I can't remember who that was.
 
 00:54:41.791 --> 00:54:42.592
 I'll have to look it up.
 
 00:54:42.612 --> 00:54:44.213
 I was looking for quotes.
 
 00:54:44.454 --> 00:54:45.414
 I love that.
 
 00:54:45.534 --> 00:54:45.994
 Wow.
 
 00:54:46.135 --> 00:54:46.775
 Is it true though?
 
 00:54:46.795 --> 00:54:47.556
 This is one more thing I
 
 00:54:47.576 --> 00:54:48.436
 want to clarify because of
 
 00:54:48.476 --> 00:54:50.097
 the myth or misconception.
 
 00:54:50.438 --> 00:54:51.458
 So Bill Trivet,
 
 00:54:51.478 --> 00:54:52.358
 we've mentioned his name
 
 00:54:52.378 --> 00:54:53.400
 multiple times today.
 
 00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:53.880
 And I just want to,
 
 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:54.860
 for those who are listeners
 
 00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:55.561
 who are not aware,
 
 00:54:56.282 --> 00:54:57.202
 the local metaphysical
 
 00:54:57.242 --> 00:54:57.902
 bookstore who's been
 
 00:54:58.362 --> 00:54:59.523
 almost going on forty years
 
 00:54:59.583 --> 00:55:00.485
 here in this area,
 
 00:55:01.125 --> 00:55:02.365
 the father of this store
 
 00:55:02.385 --> 00:55:03.987
 who started this education
 
 00:55:04.067 --> 00:55:05.407
 of all these metaphysical
 
 00:55:05.447 --> 00:55:06.507
 topics in this area and
 
 00:55:06.547 --> 00:55:07.548
 who's trained many,
 
 00:55:07.588 --> 00:55:09.010
 many amazing teacher who is
 
 00:55:09.050 --> 00:55:09.911
 now long past.
 
 00:55:10.231 --> 00:55:11.672
 He used to say that the rich
 
 00:55:11.692 --> 00:55:12.693
 man's and the poor man's
 
 00:55:12.733 --> 00:55:13.773
 chart look the same.
 
 00:55:14.293 --> 00:55:15.994
 So I want to just also bring
 
 00:55:16.014 --> 00:55:16.855
 that up as a myth or
 
 00:55:16.894 --> 00:55:18.096
 misconception that I often
 
 00:55:18.195 --> 00:55:19.336
 see that people
 
 00:55:19.836 --> 00:55:21.518
 Not only if they're getting involved in it,
 
 00:55:21.538 --> 00:55:22.378
 they might have friends or
 
 00:55:22.418 --> 00:55:24.199
 family that are really into astrology,
 
 00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:25.340
 and then they give their
 
 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:26.282
 power away to it.
 
 00:55:26.342 --> 00:55:27.222
 Here I am going on my
 
 00:55:27.242 --> 00:55:28.842
 empowerment kick again, my purpose.
 
 00:55:28.882 --> 00:55:29.983
 They're like, oh boy,
 
 00:55:30.003 --> 00:55:31.284
 the astrology says this,
 
 00:55:31.324 --> 00:55:32.266
 or the stars say that I
 
 00:55:32.306 --> 00:55:33.206
 can't have this now,
 
 00:55:33.226 --> 00:55:34.907
 or this is going to happen to me, right?
 
 00:55:35.867 --> 00:55:37.349
 There is each chart.
 
 00:55:37.409 --> 00:55:38.789
 It doesn't mean that you're
 
 00:55:38.871 --> 00:55:40.632
 doomed to health issues.
 
 00:55:40.672 --> 00:55:41.373
 It doesn't mean you're
 
 00:55:41.432 --> 00:55:42.594
 doomed to having no money.
 
 00:55:43.094 --> 00:55:43.994
 I'd love for you to clear
 
 00:55:44.014 --> 00:55:45.175
 this up because I think
 
 00:55:45.255 --> 00:55:47.356
 that is where then people go,
 
 00:55:47.376 --> 00:55:47.918
 I don't even want to get
 
 00:55:47.958 --> 00:55:48.557
 involved with that.
 
 00:55:48.657 --> 00:55:49.739
 I don't want to know about
 
 00:55:50.019 --> 00:55:50.800
 that thing because I have
 
 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:51.641
 preconceived notion that
 
 00:55:51.661 --> 00:55:53.101
 it's going to tell me that I'm doomed,
 
 00:55:53.141 --> 00:55:53.862
 right?
 
 00:55:53.902 --> 00:55:55.664
 Well, it's the concept of,
 
 00:55:55.744 --> 00:55:57.505
 it's like a tarot reader.
 
 00:55:58.226 --> 00:55:59.666
 I have had people that
 
 00:55:59.746 --> 00:56:00.947
 wanted to come to me over
 
 00:56:01.007 --> 00:56:02.128
 and over and over and over.
 
 00:56:02.168 --> 00:56:04.010
 And I had to tell them, I'm sorry,
 
 00:56:04.170 --> 00:56:05.411
 I can't do this for you.
 
 00:56:05.905 --> 00:56:08.065
 You are giving away the
 
 00:56:08.125 --> 00:56:10.025
 autonomy that you were born with,
 
 00:56:10.085 --> 00:56:13.865
 that whatever God, creator, spirit, Fred,
 
 00:56:13.905 --> 00:56:15.327
 whatever you want to call it,
 
 00:56:15.367 --> 00:56:17.146
 whatever you consider to be
 
 00:56:17.467 --> 00:56:18.467
 the power greater than
 
 00:56:18.487 --> 00:56:21.027
 yourself gave you as your
 
 00:56:21.367 --> 00:56:23.467
 human right of choice.
 
 00:56:23.788 --> 00:56:25.288
 You're like throwing it away
 
 00:56:25.788 --> 00:56:27.608
 by coming to me on a regular basis.
 
 00:56:29.128 --> 00:56:30.369
 These are tools.
 
 00:56:30.809 --> 00:56:32.369
 That's all they are to help
 
 00:56:32.409 --> 00:56:35.070
 you better understand what's going on,
 
 00:56:36.077 --> 00:56:37.998
 where your position is and
 
 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:39.798
 how you can best maximize
 
 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:41.539
 the gifts you have and
 
 00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:43.239
 minimize the weaknesses you
 
 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.920
 have it is not meant to
 
 00:56:45.981 --> 00:56:47.681
 take over your life it
 
 00:56:47.701 --> 00:56:49.681
 should never be that ever
 
 00:56:50.422 --> 00:56:52.063
 so yeah I would I would say
 
 00:56:52.123 --> 00:56:53.862
 completely I agree with
 
 00:56:53.902 --> 00:56:55.463
 that the rich the chart of
 
 00:56:55.483 --> 00:56:56.603
 the rich man and the chart
 
 00:56:56.623 --> 00:56:57.543
 of the poor man look
 
 00:56:57.603 --> 00:57:00.045
 exactly the same it's how
 
 00:57:00.204 --> 00:57:03.266
 the individual uses it that
 
 00:57:03.306 --> 00:57:04.085
 makes the difference
 
 00:57:04.416 --> 00:57:05.838
 This is why you see twins
 
 00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:07.141
 that are different, right?
 
 00:57:08.302 --> 00:57:10.505
 Born within minutes of each other.
 
 00:57:11.166 --> 00:57:13.030
 But each one is going to use
 
 00:57:13.130 --> 00:57:14.813
 that energy in a different way.
 
 00:57:14.952 --> 00:57:15.193
 Yeah.
 
 00:57:15.693 --> 00:57:16.835
 Yeah.
 
 00:57:17.115 --> 00:57:18.677
 I love doing charts of twins.
 
 00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:19.860
 I really do.
 
 00:57:22.608 --> 00:57:22.748
 Well,
 
 00:57:22.788 --> 00:57:24.309
 as all things with self-development
 
 00:57:24.329 --> 00:57:25.610
 and self-awareness, again,
 
 00:57:25.650 --> 00:57:26.231
 when you have the
 
 00:57:26.271 --> 00:57:27.411
 self-awareness to be fully
 
 00:57:27.471 --> 00:57:28.811
 authentically you and to
 
 00:57:28.871 --> 00:57:30.713
 accept where you are, your challenges,
 
 00:57:30.753 --> 00:57:31.434
 your strengths,
 
 00:57:31.733 --> 00:57:32.655
 you can better play your
 
 00:57:32.675 --> 00:57:34.195
 cards or your life path
 
 00:57:34.235 --> 00:57:35.577
 choices in a way that
 
 00:57:35.896 --> 00:57:37.878
 continues to help you evolve and grow.
 
 00:57:38.298 --> 00:57:39.340
 And I think that that is
 
 00:57:39.619 --> 00:57:42.222
 really the answer to how do
 
 00:57:42.242 --> 00:57:43.663
 you use this in a way
 
 00:57:43.682 --> 00:57:45.264
 that's supporting empowerment.
 
 00:57:46.862 --> 00:57:48.304
 If you wanted to know what
 
 00:57:48.364 --> 00:57:49.905
 the best way to invest for
 
 00:57:49.925 --> 00:57:50.844
 your future would be,
 
 00:57:51.485 --> 00:57:53.226
 you wouldn't go to the hot
 
 00:57:53.266 --> 00:57:54.567
 dog vendor on the corner.
 
 00:57:54.626 --> 00:57:56.668
 You would go to a financial advisor.
 
 00:57:57.367 --> 00:57:58.768
 If you wanted to know
 
 00:57:59.588 --> 00:58:01.889
 whether or not this lump in
 
 00:58:01.909 --> 00:58:04.351
 your breast was malignant,
 
 00:58:04.911 --> 00:58:06.291
 you wouldn't probably go to
 
 00:58:06.331 --> 00:58:07.572
 your financial advisor.
 
 00:58:07.652 --> 00:58:09.094
 You would go to a doctor who
 
 00:58:09.153 --> 00:58:10.273
 specializes in this.
 
 00:58:11.094 --> 00:58:14.416
 If you wanted to know what your gifts,
 
 00:58:14.697 --> 00:58:15.556
 your strengths,
 
 00:58:16.572 --> 00:58:20.295
 where your natural leanings seem to be,
 
 00:58:20.715 --> 00:58:22.416
 what the best times of the
 
 00:58:22.456 --> 00:58:24.556
 year ahead might be to initiate,
 
 00:58:24.936 --> 00:58:26.097
 what the best times might
 
 00:58:26.137 --> 00:58:27.679
 be to back off and
 
 00:58:27.759 --> 00:58:29.800
 percolate what might already be in play.
 
 00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:32.081
 That's when you talk to your astrologer.
 
 00:58:32.601 --> 00:58:33.601
 And then you make your
 
 00:58:33.621 --> 00:58:34.862
 decisions from there.
 
 00:58:35.382 --> 00:58:36.963
 But they are your decisions.
 
 00:58:37.384 --> 00:58:38.224
 I tell my people,
 
 00:58:38.364 --> 00:58:39.525
 I am not a fortune teller.
 
 00:58:39.985 --> 00:58:40.744
 I got enough trouble
 
 00:58:40.885 --> 00:58:41.885
 figuring out my own life,
 
 00:58:42.025 --> 00:58:43.047
 much less worrying about yours.
 
 00:58:44.806 --> 00:58:45.768
 That is my stock.
 
 00:58:46.146 --> 00:58:47.150
 standard phrase.
 
 00:58:47.911 --> 00:58:48.835
 I'm just giving you more
 
 00:58:48.894 --> 00:58:49.797
 information to work with.
 
 00:58:50.143 --> 00:58:51.664
 Yeah.
 
 00:58:51.724 --> 00:58:51.804
 Well,
 
 00:58:51.864 --> 00:58:54.144
 you just finished out a year of
 
 00:58:54.224 --> 00:58:56.545
 teaching Tarot for wonderful,
 
 00:58:56.585 --> 00:58:57.286
 fabulous students.
 
 00:58:57.306 --> 00:59:00.266
 You're now on your second year cohort,
 
 00:59:00.967 --> 00:59:03.307
 and the students love you.
 
 00:59:03.489 --> 00:59:04.329
 You're an amazing teacher.
 
 00:59:04.429 --> 00:59:04.949
 I'll just say that.
 
 00:59:05.028 --> 00:59:07.150
 I took class with you and I was like,
 
 00:59:07.289 --> 00:59:08.871
 I cannot wait till you teach astrology.
 
 00:59:09.371 --> 00:59:10.190
 And so that is what you're
 
 00:59:10.251 --> 00:59:12.851
 embarking on for this next year.
 
 00:59:13.213 --> 00:59:14.193
 So could you share a little
 
 00:59:14.213 --> 00:59:16.273
 bit about what's coming for that course?
 
 00:59:16.974 --> 00:59:18.195
 Yes, yes, of course.
 
 00:59:18.554 --> 00:59:19.856
 When I originally thought of this,
 
 00:59:19.936 --> 00:59:20.797
 I thought I'd do it along
 
 00:59:20.836 --> 00:59:22.197
 the same lines of Tarot, three,
 
 00:59:22.259 --> 00:59:24.860
 sixty five meeting once a month doing,
 
 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:25.862
 you know, that kind of thing,
 
 00:59:26.161 --> 00:59:27.543
 having an online component.
 
 00:59:27.963 --> 00:59:29.565
 And then I realized that I'm
 
 00:59:29.625 --> 00:59:32.007
 getting older and I don't
 
 00:59:32.027 --> 00:59:33.367
 have the energy I used to have.
 
 00:59:33.708 --> 00:59:34.027
 So I said,
 
 00:59:34.088 --> 00:59:36.530
 how can I do this that will make
 
 00:59:36.630 --> 00:59:40.534
 it more accessible for people,
 
 00:59:40.554 --> 00:59:41.994
 for the person who maybe
 
 00:59:42.034 --> 00:59:44.217
 just wants to better understand
 
 00:59:44.655 --> 00:59:46.657
 when they hear an astrologer
 
 00:59:46.697 --> 00:59:47.938
 speak or they read
 
 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.619
 something about astrology,
 
 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:51.541
 rather than getting it to
 
 00:59:51.581 --> 00:59:52.663
 the point where they can go
 
 00:59:52.742 --> 00:59:53.923
 out and hang up their own
 
 00:59:53.963 --> 00:59:55.804
 shingle and be an astrologer,
 
 00:59:56.065 --> 00:59:58.327
 they just maybe want to understand more.
 
 00:59:58.907 --> 01:00:01.090
 So I said, okay, let's do this.
 
 01:00:01.150 --> 01:00:03.150
 Let's call this Astro One-on-One.
 
 01:00:03.992 --> 01:00:06.333
 And the way I've built this is to have
 
 01:00:07.059 --> 01:00:08.242
 and it's ten or eleven.
 
 01:00:08.282 --> 01:00:09.103
 I can't forgive me.
 
 01:00:09.143 --> 01:00:09.903
 I can't recall which
 
 01:00:10.483 --> 01:00:13.007
 standalone workshops that
 
 01:00:13.027 --> 01:00:14.228
 will be happening roughly
 
 01:00:14.289 --> 01:00:15.331
 every three months.
 
 01:00:16.297 --> 01:00:18.557
 and we'll tackle in order
 
 01:00:19.257 --> 01:00:22.199
 the building blocks of astrology.
 
 01:00:22.318 --> 01:00:23.460
 We'll start with a very,
 
 01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:25.059
 very introductory course on
 
 01:00:25.099 --> 01:00:26.760
 the twenty sixth of this month of October,
 
 01:00:27.201 --> 01:00:28.922
 which is called Human Construction.
 
 01:00:29.541 --> 01:00:32.742
 How to read your astrological blueprint,
 
 01:00:32.782 --> 01:00:33.663
 because that's what that
 
 01:00:34.083 --> 01:00:35.023
 piece of paper with those
 
 01:00:35.043 --> 01:00:35.903
 squiggly lines and the
 
 01:00:35.943 --> 01:00:37.144
 twelve pieces of pie are.
 
 01:00:37.664 --> 01:00:39.666
 And it doesn't tell you what
 
 01:00:39.706 --> 01:00:40.686
 each thing means.
 
 01:00:41.085 --> 01:00:43.327
 It's just telling me, oh, OK, that circle
 
 01:00:43.990 --> 01:00:45.771
 That's how the heavens get
 
 01:00:45.831 --> 01:00:46.692
 brought down to earth.
 
 01:00:46.911 --> 01:00:47.172
 Okay.
 
 01:00:47.211 --> 01:00:47.851
 That makes sense.
 
 01:00:48.811 --> 01:00:48.972
 Oh,
 
 01:00:49.072 --> 01:00:51.592
 that squiggle that circle with the line
 
 01:00:51.632 --> 01:00:52.393
 that's Mars.
 
 01:00:52.572 --> 01:00:52.873
 Okay.
 
 01:00:53.152 --> 01:00:55.954
 So it's, it's really a very rudimentary.
 
 01:00:56.373 --> 01:00:58.494
 What are you looking at when
 
 01:00:58.534 --> 01:01:00.554
 you get a printout from one
 
 01:01:00.574 --> 01:01:01.594
 of these online places
 
 01:01:01.614 --> 01:01:02.856
 where you can get your own chart,
 
 01:01:04.195 --> 01:01:06.516
 then what we'll be doing is having, um,
 
 01:01:06.956 --> 01:01:08.996
 a class beginning in December,
 
 01:01:09.077 --> 01:01:10.557
 December eighth is our first class.
 
 01:01:10.597 --> 01:01:11.557
 It's on the signs.
 
 01:01:12.096 --> 01:01:15.657
 because I start with the archetypes,
 
 01:01:15.838 --> 01:01:16.159
 really,
 
 01:01:16.539 --> 01:01:18.260
 that are connected to the
 
 01:01:18.340 --> 01:01:21.561
 astrological signs using the solar myths,
 
 01:01:21.842 --> 01:01:23.322
 the sun myths that are connected,
 
 01:01:24.063 --> 01:01:27.505
 looking at what the tribal
 
 01:01:27.545 --> 01:01:28.967
 development of signs are.
 
 01:01:29.666 --> 01:01:31.447
 It's an interesting way to think about it.
 
 01:01:32.168 --> 01:01:34.570
 And each course, as it builds,
 
 01:01:34.990 --> 01:01:37.271
 is going to have an accompanying workbook
 
 01:01:38.666 --> 01:01:41.027
 By the end of all of the courses,
 
 01:01:41.086 --> 01:01:42.586
 you don't have to take them all.
 
 01:01:42.726 --> 01:01:44.047
 You don't have to take all of them.
 
 01:01:44.927 --> 01:01:45.967
 But if you did,
 
 01:01:46.469 --> 01:01:47.849
 you would have a complete
 
 01:01:48.509 --> 01:01:51.070
 first year workbook on the
 
 01:01:51.130 --> 01:01:51.969
 building blocks of
 
 01:01:52.010 --> 01:01:54.110
 astrology from the signs to
 
 01:01:54.130 --> 01:01:56.592
 the houses to the planets themselves,
 
 01:01:56.612 --> 01:01:58.213
 the luminaries, the sun and the moon,
 
 01:01:58.992 --> 01:02:00.833
 the inner planets, Mercury,
 
 01:02:00.873 --> 01:02:03.434
 Mars and Venus, Mercury, Venus and Mars,
 
 01:02:05.135 --> 01:02:08.235
 the interpersonal planets, Jupiter and
 
 01:02:08.742 --> 01:02:10.903
 saturn the outer planets
 
 01:02:11.224 --> 01:02:13.583
 uranus neptune pluto the
 
 01:02:13.824 --> 01:02:15.644
 aspects those diagonals
 
 01:02:15.664 --> 01:02:16.704
 that you see the red and
 
 01:02:16.744 --> 01:02:17.885
 blue lines that are showing
 
 01:02:17.945 --> 01:02:19.766
 up all over the place and
 
 01:02:20.166 --> 01:02:21.606
 then we would also do the
 
 01:02:21.646 --> 01:02:22.786
 final class is called
 
 01:02:22.885 --> 01:02:24.427
 putting it all together all
 
 01:02:24.467 --> 01:02:26.047
 right so what does all of
 
 01:02:26.067 --> 01:02:29.168
 this mean when it's on a
 
 01:02:29.208 --> 01:02:31.768
 page and obviously it'll be
 
 01:02:31.887 --> 01:02:34.548
 on a very rudimentary level but
 
 01:02:35.327 --> 01:02:36.027
 It's, I think,
 
 01:02:36.126 --> 01:02:36.887
 going to be something that
 
 01:02:37.068 --> 01:02:38.608
 anyone could start with.
 
 01:02:39.007 --> 01:02:40.429
 They don't have to feel like
 
 01:02:40.449 --> 01:02:41.349
 they've got their college
 
 01:02:41.389 --> 01:02:43.869
 degree in astrophysics or
 
 01:02:43.949 --> 01:02:47.231
 astrological theory or cosmobiology.
 
 01:02:48.032 --> 01:02:50.652
 Then after that, if I'm still kicking,
 
 01:02:50.672 --> 01:02:51.333
 because I'll be close to
 
 01:02:51.373 --> 01:02:52.713
 seventy by the time we're done with that,
 
 01:02:53.293 --> 01:02:54.893
 I'd like to do some more workshops,
 
 01:02:55.134 --> 01:02:57.335
 one on karmic astrology, on evolution.
 
 01:02:57.887 --> 01:02:59.686
 and how your past lives show
 
 01:02:59.726 --> 01:03:00.387
 up in the chart.
 
 01:03:00.807 --> 01:03:02.708
 I'd love to do one on synastry,
 
 01:03:02.907 --> 01:03:04.307
 relationship astrology.
 
 01:03:04.788 --> 01:03:06.708
 I would love to do one on predictive work,
 
 01:03:07.088 --> 01:03:08.509
 how to do progressions,
 
 01:03:08.628 --> 01:03:09.969
 how to look at the transits.
 
 01:03:10.530 --> 01:03:11.510
 I would love to do one on
 
 01:03:11.550 --> 01:03:12.349
 children's charts.
 
 01:03:12.389 --> 01:03:13.650
 What does it mean to look at
 
 01:03:13.690 --> 01:03:14.489
 a child's chart?
 
 01:03:15.070 --> 01:03:17.490
 It's such a responsibility
 
 01:03:18.010 --> 01:03:19.992
 when a parent comes to an
 
 01:03:20.032 --> 01:03:20.952
 astrologer to say,
 
 01:03:20.992 --> 01:03:22.291
 what do you see for my child?
 
 01:03:22.851 --> 01:03:24.333
 Because really that child's
 
 01:03:24.353 --> 01:03:26.532
 chart is one hundred percent potential.
 
 01:03:28.186 --> 01:03:30.528
 You don't want a parent to
 
 01:03:30.708 --> 01:03:32.530
 assume just because this
 
 01:03:32.550 --> 01:03:35.034
 child's got a very strong fifth house.
 
 01:03:35.875 --> 01:03:36.976
 Neptune in the fifth house
 
 01:03:37.597 --> 01:03:39.498
 could mean a brilliant magician.
 
 01:03:39.998 --> 01:03:42.541
 It could mean a wonderful pianist.
 
 01:03:43.322 --> 01:03:44.724
 It could mean a great dancer.
 
 01:03:45.304 --> 01:03:46.385
 It could also mean someone
 
 01:03:46.405 --> 01:03:47.807
 who lies for a living.
 
 01:03:47.827 --> 01:03:51.590
 So you have to be really careful.
 
 01:03:51.992 --> 01:03:53.753
 So it's just, it's fascinating.
 
 01:03:53.813 --> 01:03:55.275
 I'm sorry, you get me on a subject.
 
 01:03:55.594 --> 01:03:57.476
 And I'd also love to do one on cartography,
 
 01:03:57.737 --> 01:03:58.557
 astro cartography,
 
 01:03:58.577 --> 01:03:59.338
 because I think that would
 
 01:03:59.358 --> 01:03:59.980
 be a lot of fun.
 
 01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:00.780
 That's awesome.
 
 01:04:00.981 --> 01:04:02.842
 The where of astrology.
 
 01:04:03.586 --> 01:04:05.387
 I'll be seventy five by the time I'm done.
 
 01:04:05.487 --> 01:04:06.268
 Will you still want me?
 
 01:04:06.327 --> 01:04:07.568
 Oh, yeah, of course.
 
 01:04:09.248 --> 01:04:09.768
 And then, of course,
 
 01:04:09.809 --> 01:04:10.748
 these classes are going to
 
 01:04:10.768 --> 01:04:12.710
 be this is your legacy, Pat.
 
 01:04:12.750 --> 01:04:13.730
 This is these will be
 
 01:04:13.789 --> 01:04:14.710
 evergreen courses that
 
 01:04:14.731 --> 01:04:16.110
 people can take at any time.
 
 01:04:16.731 --> 01:04:18.771
 And I'm really excited for that.
 
 01:04:19.492 --> 01:04:20.231
 You want to laugh?
 
 01:04:20.331 --> 01:04:21.632
 That is what's going on in
 
 01:04:21.693 --> 01:04:22.592
 my chart right now.
 
 01:04:23.032 --> 01:04:24.833
 I'm in that phase of my life
 
 01:04:25.153 --> 01:04:27.355
 astrologically where I'm
 
 01:04:27.394 --> 01:04:28.775
 being pushed from within.
 
 01:04:28.835 --> 01:04:29.954
 That's what progressions are,
 
 01:04:30.235 --> 01:04:31.775
 those urges we feel from within.
 
 01:04:32.661 --> 01:04:33.782
 to share everything that
 
 01:04:33.822 --> 01:04:36.023
 I've learned before it's my time is done.
 
 01:04:36.443 --> 01:04:38.105
 So I'm I'm living my chart.
 
 01:04:38.144 --> 01:04:40.586
 That's amazing.
 
 01:04:40.646 --> 01:04:40.726
 Well,
 
 01:04:40.746 --> 01:04:41.786
 is there anything else you want to
 
 01:04:41.806 --> 01:04:43.047
 share about your upcoming
 
 01:04:43.068 --> 01:04:44.329
 classes about astrology?
 
 01:04:44.389 --> 01:04:47.911
 Any last final words for our listeners?
 
 01:04:48.150 --> 01:04:50.112
 I would say if you're afraid of it,
 
 01:04:50.992 --> 01:04:52.893
 embrace it.
 
 01:04:52.994 --> 01:04:56.155
 If you are excited by it, embrace it.
 
 01:04:56.635 --> 01:04:59.197
 If you are curious about it, embrace it.
 
 01:05:00.398 --> 01:05:01.938
 astrology is
 
 01:05:02.994 --> 01:05:04.635
 such an incredible tool.
 
 01:05:04.775 --> 01:05:06.615
 I mean, just as an example,
 
 01:05:06.976 --> 01:05:09.036
 watching how Matt shifted
 
 01:05:09.536 --> 01:05:12.077
 from an unbeliever to
 
 01:05:12.356 --> 01:05:15.237
 someone who so completely gets it,
 
 01:05:16.538 --> 01:05:17.878
 that Matt Suter, I mean,
 
 01:05:18.798 --> 01:05:20.920
 that was an amazing shift.
 
 01:05:21.179 --> 01:05:22.340
 And I loved it because this
 
 01:05:22.380 --> 01:05:23.480
 is a man who thinks
 
 01:05:23.539 --> 01:05:25.721
 philosophically and
 
 01:05:25.780 --> 01:05:28.001
 watching him put that bent
 
 01:05:28.420 --> 01:05:30.722
 onto his interpretations in astrology is,
 
 01:05:31.297 --> 01:05:32.416
 It's exciting to me.
 
 01:05:32.818 --> 01:05:35.038
 I love watching people I
 
 01:05:35.077 --> 01:05:38.099
 trained really work with astrology.
 
 01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:39.659
 I didn't train Matt.
 
 01:05:39.699 --> 01:05:40.260
 I don't mean that.
 
 01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.240
 But I'm watching people grow in astrology.
 
 01:05:43.541 --> 01:05:45.742
 So embrace it.
 
 01:05:45.782 --> 01:05:46.521
 Have fun with it.
 
 01:05:46.681 --> 01:05:47.262
 Enjoy it.
 
 01:05:47.742 --> 01:05:49.262
 Because it's a wonderful tool.
 
 01:05:49.922 --> 01:05:50.902
 Awesome.
 
 01:05:50.943 --> 01:05:52.724
 Thank you so much, Pat, as always.
 
 01:05:52.963 --> 01:05:54.724
 I appreciate you so much.
 
 01:05:54.903 --> 01:05:55.543
 And again,
 
 01:05:55.684 --> 01:05:57.605
 maybe we'll have you guys send
 
 01:05:57.644 --> 01:06:00.025
 us a little bit of questions about this.
 
 01:06:00.065 --> 01:06:01.126
 If you have any other things
 
 01:06:01.146 --> 01:06:02.045
 you'd like to ask,
 
 01:06:02.306 --> 01:06:03.065
 we might be able to do some
 
 01:06:03.126 --> 01:06:04.266
 short stuff and talk a
 
 01:06:04.286 --> 01:06:05.706
 little bit more about any
 
 01:06:05.746 --> 01:06:06.827
 particular topics when it
 
 01:06:06.847 --> 01:06:08.288
 comes to astrology with Pat.
 
 01:06:08.788 --> 01:06:09.467
 But other than that,
 
 01:06:09.788 --> 01:06:10.827
 thank you guys as always
 
 01:06:10.847 --> 01:06:13.088
 for listening and be well until next time,
 
 01:06:13.128 --> 01:06:13.809
 my friends.
 
 01:06:14.289 --> 01:06:14.869
 Bye.
 
 01:06:16.010 --> 01:06:16.869
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 01:06:18.597 --> 01:06:19.998
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