81: Ghost Hunting, Lost Souls, and Spirit Encounters

Episode 81: Ghost Hunting, Lost Souls, and Spirit Encounters with Rissa Miller | Mind Body Detox Podcast

In Episode 81 of the Mind Body Detox Podcast, host Kara Lovehart—Mind-Body Psychic Medium and Executive Intuitive Business Coach—explores the world of ghosts and spirits with historian and ghost tour guide Rissa Miller. Together, they demystify common fears around hauntings, discuss why some spirits get stuck, and share stories of helping lost souls move on. Kara also reflects on her experiences as a medium, explaining common encounters with spirits and the process of assisting them.

Key Episode Highlights:

👻 Ghost Stories and Myths – Rissa shares her incredible experiences with haunted locations, debunking myths and misconceptions about spirits.

👻 Why Spirits Get Stuck – Understand the reasons some ghosts remain in certain places and how to assist them in moving on.

👻 Kara’s Mediumship Encounters – Kara dives into her personal experiences as a psychic medium, explaining common spirit encounters and how to help both the living and the dead.

👻 Overcoming Fear of Spirits – Learn practical tips for overcoming fear of ghosts and engaging with the spiritual world in a healthy, respectful way.

👻 Fun and Fascinating Ghost Stories – Enjoy fun and eerie ghost stories from Rissa and Kara’s personal experiences, perfect for those intrigued by the paranormal.

This episode offers a fascinating look into the world of ghost hunting, spirit encounters, and mediumship, providing listeners with a deeper understanding of how to connect with and help the spirit world while dispelling common fears.

About Rissa Miller:

Rissa Miller is an editor, author, herbalist, and storyteller with a deep passion for esoteric history and plant-based healing. As a practicing herbalist, she’s dedicated to using the healing power of plants to support overall wellness. Rissa has been a vegan for 28 years and is currently studying clinical herbalism at the Herbal Academy. In addition to her healing work, she leads ghost tours, writes poetry, and enjoys foraging and baking.

Connect with Rissa Miller:

• Website: Rissa’s Website
• Blog: Rissa’s Blog
• Instagram: @rissa_miller
• YouTube: Rissa’s YouTube Channel

Join us for an empowering conversation about Ghost Hunting, Spirits,  and the power of setting spirits free on the Mind Body Detox Podcast!

Transcript

 In this episode of the Mind Body Detox Podcast, Kara Lovehart, Mind-Body Psychic Medium and Executive Intuitive Business Coach, explores the captivating world of ghosts, spirits, and energy imprints with historian and ghost tour guide Rissa Miller. Kara and Rissa discuss why some spirits linger in certain places, how energy can leave imprints in physical spaces, and ways to respectfully connect with and assist lost souls. Discover insights on mediumship, overcoming fear of spirits, and fascinating ghost stories that challenge common myths. This episode offers practical guidance for anyone curious about spirit encounters and the impact of energy in our environments.

Key Highlights from Episode 81 of the Mind Body Detox Podcast with Kara Lovehart and Rissa Miller

• Exploring Ghosts, Spirits, and Energy Imprints: Kara Lovehart, Mind-Body Psychic Medium, and guest Rissa Miller dive into how spirits and energy imprints can influence physical spaces.
• Why Some Spirits Linger: Insightful discussion on why certain spirits remain attached to places and how these lingering energies can affect the present.
• Energy Imprints in Spaces and Places: Learn how emotional or traumatic events leave energetic imprints in environments, influencing those who encounter them.
• Respectful Connection with Lost Souls: Kara and Rissa provide compassionate ways to connect with and assist spirits in moving on, offering peace to both the living and the departed.
• Overcoming Fear of Spirits: Practical guidance on addressing fear and engaging with the spiritual world healthily and respectfully.
• Kara’s Experiences as a Psychic Medium: Personal stories from Kara on spirit encounters and lessons learned from working with energies from the other side.
• Myths and Realities of Ghost Stories: Rissa shares historical insights and true stories from her ghost tours, demystifying common myths about hauntings and spirit encounters.

This episode is packed with intriguing stories and practical advice for anyone curious about the spiritual realm, energy imprints, and how to engage with the unseen world in a mindful way.

 
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 This is the Mind Body Detox podcast,
 
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 where we discuss all things
 
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 integrative health and wellness,
 
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 interviewing folks from all
 
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 over the world,
 
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 sharing insights and wisdom
 
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 for how to live a healthier life in mind,
 
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 body, and spirit.
 
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 welcome back everyone to the
 
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 mind body detox podcast I'm
 
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 your host mind body medium
 
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Kara Lovehart and we are
 
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 doing our Halloween episode
 
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 for the year and we're
 
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 going to be talking about
 
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 ghosts and spirits as
 
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 teachers okay so we're
 
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 going to talk to rissa
 
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 miller so we're bringing
 
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 her back on the show
 
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 because she is a ghost
 
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 storyteller and historian
 
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 and all the other things
 
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 herbalist healer seer and
 
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 of course she is the
 
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 perfect person I wanted to
 
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 talk to about this specific
 
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 topic so we want to talk
 
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 about understanding spirits
 
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 and how we help them
 
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 heal and how we help them
 
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 cross over so that is going
 
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 to be what we're talking
 
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 about today so let's bring
 
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 miss rissa on and chat
 
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 about her background at
 
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 least in this particular
 
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 area because I don't think
 
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 we touched on this last
 
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 time hi rissa I don't think
 
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 we did hi kara it's great
 
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 to see you so I want to
 
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 know just first off how did
 
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 you get involved like what
 
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 drew you to storytelling in
 
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 the first place so what
 
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 drew me to storytelling uh
 
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 OK, going back in my brain,
 
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 I think it was my dad telling stories.
 
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 So when I was a little girl,
 
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 I remember it wasn't always
 
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 just at Halloween,
 
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 but definitely for Halloween.
 
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 There was a tradition that
 
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 after trick or treat,
 
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 my mom made the most
 
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 amazing pot of vegetable
 
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 soup and we would put it in
 
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 the thermos and go out and
 
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 drive around allegedly haunted sites.
 
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 And dad would tell stories.
 
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 And I loved this tradition
 
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 my whole childhood.
 
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 I loved it through being a teenager,
 
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 believe it or not.
 
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 I didn't think it was dumb
 
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 by the time I got to be a teenager.
 
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 And I wish he would still do it,
 
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 but he doesn't anymore.
 
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 I guess the storytelling
 
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 torch has passed on to me.
 
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 That's amazing.
 
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 Well,
 
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 then when did you start getting involved?
 
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 You're like, you know what?
 
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 I want to do ghost tours and
 
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 I want to do storytelling
 
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 and understand the history here.
 
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 And then, of course, you as an intuitive,
 
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 sensitive person sensing the spirits too.
 
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 Tell me more about that.
 
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 So I. Growing up in my family,
 
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 ghosts were never a taboo subject.
 
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 There was always an
 
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 acknowledgment that there
 
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 was a spirit world.
 
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 There was always an
 
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 acknowledgment that anything is possible.
 
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 And there was never any you
 
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 must not ever speak about
 
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 ghosts because as a little girl,
 
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 I did see ghosts.
 
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 And my most marked memory of
 
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 it happened in York, England.
 
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 I was eight years old.
 
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 My parents took me along so
 
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 that I could see the other York,
 
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 the original York,
 
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 where the York that you and
 
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 I live in was named after.
 
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 And we were in a place called Marmaduke's.
 
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 It was a pasta restaurant, Italian.
 
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 And I went upstairs to use
 
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 the restroom and I saw a
 
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 teenage boy in full spectral form.
 
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 The thing that surprised me
 
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 wasn't that I saw him.
 
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 It was how incredibly sad he
 
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 was and the fact that I
 
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 could feel his sadness.
 
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 went downstairs to get my
 
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 mom because I said there's
 
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 a there's a spirit boy
 
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 upstairs that needs help
 
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 and I didn't know how to
 
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 help him I was a child
 
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 myself and I took her back
 
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 up and he was gone and so
 
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 we went downstairs and my
 
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 mom said I think there
 
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 might have been a teenage
 
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 boy or perhaps as a ghost
 
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 and the server who was with
 
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 us that evening said yes
 
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 that's marmaduke that we
 
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 named the restaurant after
 
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 him um he died here in the
 
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 so I I found out later his
 
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 name was marmaduke buckle
 
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 And he was a special needs person.
 
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 He had both physical and
 
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 emotional challenges in the
 
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 sixteen hundreds.
 
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 And people, instead of being compassionate,
 
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 assumed he was practicing witchcraft,
 
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 which is, of course,
 
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 under the reign of King James,
 
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 what people thought.
 
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 So I understand all this now,
 
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 but at the time it was a lot to take in.
 
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 And he committed suicide in that room.
 
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 So his spirit was stuck in that space.
 
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 There are different kinds of ghosts,
 
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 I'm sure you know this,
 
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 and I'm sure we'll get into it,
 
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 but there are interactives
 
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 and there are intelligent ghosts,
 
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 and then there are
 
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 repetitives that are not interactive.
 
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 And he was a repetitive,
 
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 so his pain was sort of
 
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 left like a scar on that space.
 
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 And the server explained
 
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 that the rest of that scene,
 
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 that as it plays out,
 
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 would be that he would then
 
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 have gone up on the chair
 
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 and kicked it down.
 
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 when he hanged himself.
 
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 I didn't see that.
 
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 And I'm actually quite glad
 
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 as an eight year old,
 
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 I didn't witness that
 
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 because it was just enough
 
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 to make me interested and
 
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 to inspire my thought
 
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 process of why did this ghost appear?
 
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 What was what did he want?
 
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 What did he need?
 
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 Why was he stuck in this place?
 
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 And I do think now that he
 
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 was not an intelligent spirit,
 
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 I think he was simply a
 
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 scar on that place where he
 
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 had suffered so deeply during his life.
 
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 Yeah, I love that we
 
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 But I love that we can talk
 
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 about this because my
 
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 background growing up
 
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 seeing spirits and then
 
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 putting in hospitals, medications,
 
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 like something's wrong with you.
 
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 It wasn't until later that I
 
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 started to understand, yes,
 
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 these things are real.
 
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 Yes,
 
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 these things have different types of
 
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 qualities.
 
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 And a lot of it is this...
 
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 This sadness,
 
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 there's these stuck
 
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 unfinished business kind of things.
 
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 And I knew that when I first
 
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 was having this, these experiences,
 
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 they were scary because
 
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 there was no one to explain it to me.
 
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 We luckily with the age of
 
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 the internet and people
 
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 like yourself have a lot
 
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 more opportunities to learn
 
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 more about these things
 
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 because we only see these
 
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 dramatized versions of
 
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 horror movies and things
 
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 that really creates a lot of fear.
 
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 So that's what we wanted to talk about,
 
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 that you and I both believe
 
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 that ghosts are something
 
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 to be understood and not to be feared.
 
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 So do you have any
 
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 experiences or I should say
 
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 thoughts on why they exist
 
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 and what maybe they represent?
 
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 So nobody knows that answer completely.
 
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 I can only offer you an
 
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 opinion because science has
 
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 not yet reached a place
 
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 where we can prove that there's a soul,
 
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 that we can prove that
 
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 Um, there is such a thing as a spirit and,
 
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 you know,
 
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 we also didn't use to have
 
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 science that could explain whether,
 
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 but here we are.
 
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 And we do understand that
 
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 now I believe that
 
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 eventually science will
 
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 catch up with what we know intuitively.
 
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 This is always how it works.
 
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 Science just takes longer
 
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 because you have to be able
 
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 to prove and repeat things that said,
 
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 why do they exist?
 
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 So I feel like.
 
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 Within the realm of ghosts,
 
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 I'm going to talk mostly
 
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 about the intelligent spirits,
 
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 the ones that interact.
 
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 I think kind of already
 
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 touched on the repetitives,
 
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 the ones that are sort of
 
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 like a scar on time.
 
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 They are an emotional outcry
 
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 from an experience.
 
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 And now they can actually be
 
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 positive experiences too.
 
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 Yes.
 
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 I have heard of, I'm sorry,
 
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 repetitive residuals that are positive,
 
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 like from a happy moment.
 
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 Anytime there's that big
 
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 outpouring of a feeling,
 
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 there's the energy, right?
 
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 The energy comes from our emotion.
 
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 It can leave a residual spirit.
 
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 It doesn't even have to be a
 
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 person who's passed.
 
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 A living person can leave a residual.
 
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 This is exactly what I tell
 
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 people when they come into
 
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 their homes and we're doing, you know,
 
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 they sometimes they want us
 
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 to work with spirits, but I'm like,
 
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 it's not just spirits.
 
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 Everything is consciousness,
 
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 whether it has a,
 
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 had a soul or a life form.
 
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 It's like,
 
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 how much energy did you put into
 
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 that stuffed animal over there?
 
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 Or where did you fight in this kitchen?
 
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 Like it's an energetic imprint.
 
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 And I agree that the more
 
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 heightened or extravagant the emotion,
 
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 the more of an imprint it makes,
 
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 whether it's a high, happy, good,
 
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 joyful experience or sad or
 
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 fearful or angry.
 
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 So.
 
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 I can walk into a house and
 
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 say that this place was loved,
 
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 not necessarily by how it looks,
 
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 but by how it feels.
 
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 And I can walk into other places and go,
 
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 oh, there was heartbreak here.
 
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 You could just feel the
 
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 residual energies from it,
 
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 whether or not they take
 
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 the form of the video
 
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 replay of a residual spirit.
 
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 Or it's just in the air.
 
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 And absolutely those things,
 
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 I don't even think you have
 
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 to be all that sensitive to
 
 00:08:07.394 --> 00:08:09.175
 feel that because a lot of
 
 00:08:09.235 --> 00:08:10.937
 people can sense that in a space.
 
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 And that's the one whole
 
 00:08:12.478 --> 00:08:13.579
 category of residuals.
 
 00:08:14.141 --> 00:08:15.021
 But when we're talking about
 
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 an intelligent spirit that
 
 00:08:16.223 --> 00:08:17.564
 will interact with you,
 
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 that's a really different experience.
 
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 And that is where people get
 
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 scared because there's not
 
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 a lot of understanding.
 
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 And there's people like, you know,
 
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 Stephen King that have made us scared.
 
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 And, you know,
 
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 there's a place for entertainment.
 
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 I love a scary movie.
 
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 I love a scary book.
 
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 But I also understand that
 
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 those are entertainment.
 
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 And I'm not saying that
 
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 there aren't scary spirits out there.
 
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 There are.
 
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 there are probably more
 
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 scary living people out there.
 
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 There's a great line of Beetlejuice,
 
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 never trust the living.
 
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 I'm like, I'm right there.
 
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 I'm much more scared of the
 
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 living than I am of the dead.
 
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 So just for the record,
 
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 that's where I stand on that.
 
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 If somebody is on my tour or
 
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 they're asking me about it
 
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 and they're like,
 
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 I'm really scared if a ghost might get me,
 
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 I'm like,
 
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 you should be a lot more scared
 
 00:09:00.542 --> 00:09:03.123
 driving on the highway.
 
 00:09:03.143 --> 00:09:03.802
 There are not a lot of
 
 00:09:03.842 --> 00:09:05.484
 police reports out there of
 
 00:09:05.964 --> 00:09:06.524
 death by ghost.
 
 00:09:06.703 --> 00:09:08.725
 Very few, very few.
 
 00:09:09.514 --> 00:09:10.995
 So, um,
 
 00:09:11.015 --> 00:09:12.356
 I'm not saying that there's no such
 
 00:09:12.376 --> 00:09:12.638
 thing.
 
 00:09:12.817 --> 00:09:14.500
 I'm just saying it's incredibly rare.
 
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 You are more likely to get
 
 00:09:15.379 --> 00:09:16.701
 hit by lightning statistically.
 
 00:09:16.721 --> 00:09:16.942
 Yeah.
 
 00:09:17.523 --> 00:09:19.705
 So, so all of that said,
 
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 hang on one second.
 
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 All of that said,
 
 00:09:24.221 --> 00:09:25.383
 I think interactive spirits
 
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 are amazing because some of
 
 00:09:26.644 --> 00:09:27.745
 them don't know why they're here.
 
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 Some of them are here for a
 
 00:09:28.966 --> 00:09:29.726
 specific reason,
 
 00:09:29.787 --> 00:09:30.547
 and some of them simply
 
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 don't want to leave.
 
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 They're in a place that they love.
 
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 I was downtown today at the
 
 00:09:36.692 --> 00:09:38.575
 Appel Center this morning for a tour,
 
 00:09:38.595 --> 00:09:39.836
 which Yorkers might
 
 00:09:39.855 --> 00:09:41.136
 remember as the Australian capital.
 
 00:09:41.577 --> 00:09:42.398
 Anybody else in the world,
 
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 it's the Appel Center.
 
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 And they have an interactive
 
 00:09:46.962 --> 00:09:48.303
 ghost there they call the stagehand.
 
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 And he loves it there.
 
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 He still takes care of the place.
 
 00:09:51.860 --> 00:09:52.681
 It is his home.
 
 00:09:52.760 --> 00:09:54.022
 He worked there during his life.
 
 00:09:54.062 --> 00:09:55.303
 He's still taking care of it now.
 
 00:09:55.724 --> 00:09:57.326
 He is one of the best kinds
 
 00:09:57.385 --> 00:09:58.386
 of interactive intelligent
 
 00:09:58.407 --> 00:10:00.048
 spirits to have because he
 
 00:10:00.089 --> 00:10:00.990
 never left his work.
 
 00:10:01.792 --> 00:10:02.972
 He was passionate about that
 
 00:10:03.033 --> 00:10:04.573
 place and he continues to
 
 00:10:04.614 --> 00:10:05.595
 be passionate about it long
 
 00:10:05.735 --> 00:10:06.615
 after his death.
 
 00:10:07.395 --> 00:10:08.115
 One of the reasons I was
 
 00:10:08.135 --> 00:10:08.996
 there is we were trying to
 
 00:10:09.017 --> 00:10:09.977
 figure out who he was.
 
 00:10:10.837 --> 00:10:11.639
 We were going backwards
 
 00:10:11.658 --> 00:10:12.798
 through time going like when,
 
 00:10:12.818 --> 00:10:14.760
 because he smokes a cigar.
 
 00:10:15.441 --> 00:10:16.822
 When was it allowed that
 
 00:10:16.961 --> 00:10:18.702
 people could smoke in the Appel Center?
 
 00:10:19.624 --> 00:10:21.065
 He also sometimes smells like whiskey.
 
 00:10:21.905 --> 00:10:23.427
 When could staff drink?
 
 00:10:24.246 --> 00:10:25.408
 When would the stage heads
 
 00:10:25.427 --> 00:10:26.389
 have communicated with
 
 00:10:26.469 --> 00:10:27.830
 whistles versus light?
 
 00:10:28.370 --> 00:10:30.152
 Because nowadays they use
 
 00:10:30.211 --> 00:10:31.673
 light or electronic signals,
 
 00:10:32.052 --> 00:10:33.514
 but historically they
 
 00:10:33.553 --> 00:10:34.595
 whistled backstage to
 
 00:10:34.634 --> 00:10:36.236
 change the sets or any
 
 00:10:36.277 --> 00:10:37.197
 number of other things.
 
 00:10:37.857 --> 00:10:39.679
 When did all of that change
 
 00:10:39.740 --> 00:10:41.000
 specifically there?
 
 00:10:41.400 --> 00:10:42.361
 Not just like, you know,
 
 00:10:42.402 --> 00:10:43.462
 it probably changed much
 
 00:10:43.482 --> 00:10:44.923
 sooner in London and New York,
 
 00:10:45.244 --> 00:10:46.585
 but when did it filter down
 
 00:10:46.806 --> 00:10:47.625
 here that those
 
 00:10:47.666 --> 00:10:49.187
 technological changes happen?
 
 00:10:49.827 --> 00:10:52.590
 So it's a research project in process,
 
 00:10:52.909 --> 00:10:54.370
 trying to figure out who he was.
 
 00:10:54.931 --> 00:10:57.972
 And it's obvious why he's there.
 
 00:10:57.993 --> 00:10:58.953
 There's no mystery.
 
 00:10:59.073 --> 00:11:01.054
 He was happy there and he
 
 00:11:01.154 --> 00:11:02.475
 still takes care of the place.
 
 00:11:03.297 --> 00:11:04.576
 I have had reports from a
 
 00:11:04.616 --> 00:11:05.538
 cleanup crew that say
 
 00:11:05.817 --> 00:11:07.438
 sometimes he appears to be
 
 00:11:07.558 --> 00:11:08.740
 supervising to make sure
 
 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:09.581
 they're doing a good job.
 
 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:11.501
 Sometimes they actually hear
 
 00:11:11.542 --> 00:11:13.102
 him sweeping when they're
 
 00:11:13.143 --> 00:11:14.464
 trying to clean as well
 
 00:11:15.063 --> 00:11:16.745
 because he wants to take
 
 00:11:16.764 --> 00:11:18.046
 care of this place that he loved.
 
 00:11:18.961 --> 00:11:19.783
 So in the case of this
 
 00:11:19.822 --> 00:11:21.264
 particular intelligent spirit,
 
 00:11:22.125 --> 00:11:24.025
 I think that he's made a choice to stay.
 
 00:11:24.746 --> 00:11:25.668
 I don't know who he was.
 
 00:11:25.827 --> 00:11:27.149
 I wish I knew his name or
 
 00:11:27.188 --> 00:11:27.990
 whether or not he had a
 
 00:11:28.029 --> 00:11:29.711
 family or it was a single person.
 
 00:11:29.811 --> 00:11:30.751
 And maybe that's why he
 
 00:11:30.851 --> 00:11:31.793
 loved the place so much.
 
 00:11:31.852 --> 00:11:32.514
 It was his home.
 
 00:11:33.375 --> 00:11:35.135
 But it was it does not
 
 00:11:35.155 --> 00:11:36.017
 appear to be a tragedy.
 
 00:11:36.336 --> 00:11:37.217
 I can't confirm that,
 
 00:11:37.278 --> 00:11:38.578
 but it doesn't appear that way.
 
 00:11:38.678 --> 00:11:40.159
 It appears to be a choice to
 
 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:41.642
 linger in this realm.
 
 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:43.140
 Now,
 
 00:11:43.160 --> 00:11:45.022
 there are others that their stories
 
 00:11:45.042 --> 00:11:45.601
 are tragic.
 
 00:11:46.201 --> 00:11:48.722
 And when I get into that, unfortunately,
 
 00:11:48.763 --> 00:11:49.803
 this comes into the realm
 
 00:11:49.844 --> 00:11:51.325
 of a lot of women's stories.
 
 00:11:51.985 --> 00:11:53.245
 A lot of the female
 
 00:11:53.304 --> 00:11:54.365
 hauntings are women that
 
 00:11:54.405 --> 00:11:56.447
 had no agency during their lifetime.
 
 00:11:57.206 --> 00:11:59.347
 And it is kind of only in
 
 00:11:59.427 --> 00:12:00.908
 death that they get their voice.
 
 00:12:02.208 --> 00:12:02.830
 I hate to say that,
 
 00:12:02.929 --> 00:12:05.070
 but it's just case after case after case,
 
 00:12:05.110 --> 00:12:06.211
 this appears to be true.
 
 00:12:06.953 --> 00:12:09.394
 So the female hauntings are
 
 00:12:09.434 --> 00:12:12.496
 often tragic deaths, murders, accidents,
 
 00:12:12.817 --> 00:12:13.116
 rape,
 
 00:12:13.577 --> 00:12:15.519
 all of the horrible things that you
 
 00:12:15.538 --> 00:12:16.759
 would imagine would be the
 
 00:12:16.798 --> 00:12:18.039
 worst possible outcome.
 
 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:19.801
 A lot of the female ghost
 
 00:12:19.821 --> 00:12:22.481
 stories link to that kind of a death.
 
 00:12:23.143 --> 00:12:25.403
 And why are they still here?
 
 00:12:25.744 --> 00:12:27.144
 Perhaps they want their story told.
 
 00:12:27.284 --> 00:12:28.465
 Perhaps they want justice.
 
 00:12:29.346 --> 00:12:30.405
 They don't all speak.
 
 00:12:30.986 --> 00:12:31.966
 Some appear.
 
 00:12:32.366 --> 00:12:33.908
 Some have a presence but
 
 00:12:33.947 --> 00:12:35.288
 don't ever interact.
 
 00:12:37.692 --> 00:12:38.513
 I know that you're a medium,
 
 00:12:38.673 --> 00:12:39.813
 so maybe you would be able
 
 00:12:39.833 --> 00:12:40.995
 to ascertain answers like
 
 00:12:41.034 --> 00:12:42.196
 that that other people can't.
 
 00:12:42.537 --> 00:12:43.597
 I have worked with mediums
 
 00:12:43.618 --> 00:12:44.557
 who've been able to get
 
 00:12:44.697 --> 00:12:46.240
 some information from some
 
 00:12:46.340 --> 00:12:47.380
 of the various hauntings
 
 00:12:47.421 --> 00:12:48.981
 that I tell their stories.
 
 00:12:50.102 --> 00:12:51.403
 And one medium I worked with
 
 00:12:51.423 --> 00:12:53.846
 said that the ghost was so
 
 00:12:53.966 --> 00:12:56.207
 happy to have her name
 
 00:12:56.268 --> 00:12:57.469
 remembered and her story
 
 00:12:57.509 --> 00:12:58.809
 told that she feels more
 
 00:12:58.870 --> 00:13:01.251
 peaceful now that other
 
 00:13:01.312 --> 00:13:02.493
 people are learning what
 
 00:13:02.533 --> 00:13:03.875
 happened in her lifetime.
 
 00:13:04.576 --> 00:13:06.259
 There's another story I tell
 
 00:13:06.359 --> 00:13:07.541
 about a man who was gay
 
 00:13:07.561 --> 00:13:08.423
 during his lifetime.
 
 00:13:09.024 --> 00:13:10.547
 And his spirit lingers in
 
 00:13:10.586 --> 00:13:11.347
 the building where he
 
 00:13:11.388 --> 00:13:12.389
 either lived or worked.
 
 00:13:12.490 --> 00:13:13.793
 It's now a bookstore.
 
 00:13:14.265 --> 00:13:15.427
 It's found books,
 
 00:13:15.726 --> 00:13:17.489
 but it's been many things over time.
 
 00:13:17.509 --> 00:13:18.448
 There have been apartments there,
 
 00:13:18.469 --> 00:13:19.309
 there've been other stores,
 
 00:13:19.509 --> 00:13:20.270
 there've been restaurants.
 
 00:13:20.730 --> 00:13:22.272
 So I can't figure out,
 
 00:13:22.493 --> 00:13:23.513
 even with the help of a medium,
 
 00:13:23.592 --> 00:13:25.554
 I couldn't figure out when he was alive.
 
 00:13:26.075 --> 00:13:27.476
 I'm gonna say probably
 
 00:13:27.537 --> 00:13:30.178
 pre-Nineteen Sixties, but I mean,
 
 00:13:30.859 --> 00:13:33.000
 homophobia has existed for a long time.
 
 00:13:33.201 --> 00:13:35.342
 So it could have been any number of years.
 
 00:13:35.763 --> 00:13:38.005
 But he gives off a feeling
 
 00:13:38.046 --> 00:13:39.528
 of fear and coldness.
 
 00:13:40.048 --> 00:13:41.830
 But when I got there with the medium,
 
 00:13:42.051 --> 00:13:44.874
 we both immediately said, he's not angry.
 
 00:13:44.974 --> 00:13:46.615
 He's scared and lost.
 
 00:13:47.576 --> 00:13:49.820
 And he's looking for where he belongs.
 
 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:50.000
 Yeah.
 
 00:13:50.615 --> 00:13:52.775
 So one of the things that, uh,
 
 00:13:52.796 --> 00:13:54.256
 the owners of this bookstore have said,
 
 00:13:54.297 --> 00:13:55.577
 like, we want them to know he's welcome.
 
 00:13:56.057 --> 00:13:56.577
 Like, can you,
 
 00:13:56.597 --> 00:13:57.619
 they actually said to the medium,
 
 00:13:57.658 --> 00:13:58.599
 can you tell him he's
 
 00:13:58.679 --> 00:13:59.279
 welcome here that
 
 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:00.279
 everybody's welcome here.
 
 00:14:00.299 --> 00:14:01.140
 And he doesn't have to stay
 
 00:14:01.160 --> 00:14:01.980
 in the back hallway by the
 
 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:03.322
 bathroom that he could come
 
 00:14:03.402 --> 00:14:04.682
 out and hang out in the bookstore.
 
 00:14:05.003 --> 00:14:05.722
 He could read a book,
 
 00:14:05.903 --> 00:14:06.683
 whatever he wants to do.
 
 00:14:06.724 --> 00:14:07.845
 We're totally open to it.
 
 00:14:07.924 --> 00:14:09.205
 He's he's home now.
 
 00:14:09.325 --> 00:14:10.566
 He can, he can stay with us.
 
 00:14:11.226 --> 00:14:13.427
 And, uh, the medium's like, he heard you.
 
 00:14:13.508 --> 00:14:14.067
 Yeah.
 
 00:14:14.107 --> 00:14:15.229
 He heard you.
 
 00:14:15.328 --> 00:14:15.489
 Yeah.
 
 00:14:16.326 --> 00:14:16.865
 I love that.
 
 00:14:17.106 --> 00:14:18.147
 I think that what you're
 
 00:14:18.167 --> 00:14:19.427
 saying all cases of why
 
 00:14:19.888 --> 00:14:21.369
 spirits stick around are
 
 00:14:21.448 --> 00:14:22.590
 it's very diverse as the
 
 00:14:22.629 --> 00:14:24.010
 personalities of the
 
 00:14:24.051 --> 00:14:26.432
 spirits that are are still with us.
 
 00:14:26.653 --> 00:14:28.614
 And, and it's different because there's,
 
 00:14:28.634 --> 00:14:28.933
 of course,
 
 00:14:28.953 --> 00:14:29.995
 there's a difference between a
 
 00:14:30.034 --> 00:14:31.014
 ghost to haunting.
 
 00:14:31.696 --> 00:14:32.816
 Earthbound spirit is what I
 
 00:14:32.855 --> 00:14:34.557
 call they have a heavier presence,
 
 00:14:34.577 --> 00:14:35.378
 it's more palpable,
 
 00:14:35.437 --> 00:14:37.298
 it's more sensible to the five senses.
 
 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.581
 Anyone that's crossed over or, you know,
 
 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:41.942
 we can say energies that
 
 00:14:41.961 --> 00:14:43.143
 are lighter that are not as
 
 00:14:43.222 --> 00:14:44.683
 dense in this third dimensional plane.
 
 00:14:44.884 --> 00:14:45.083
 you know,
 
 00:14:45.104 --> 00:14:46.524
 like angelic beings or people who
 
 00:14:46.565 --> 00:14:48.265
 have crossed our loved ones, animals,
 
 00:14:48.645 --> 00:14:49.427
 those feel completely
 
 00:14:49.447 --> 00:14:50.467
 different to me as a medium
 
 00:14:50.508 --> 00:14:51.427
 when connecting with them,
 
 00:14:51.707 --> 00:14:52.369
 but they do all have
 
 00:14:52.408 --> 00:14:53.929
 different reasons for staying behind.
 
 00:14:54.009 --> 00:14:56.030
 And I feel overarching.
 
 00:14:56.091 --> 00:14:58.633
 My personal opinion is that
 
 00:14:58.793 --> 00:15:00.894
 so many of us in this human form,
 
 00:15:00.974 --> 00:15:01.695
 we've come here to learn,
 
 00:15:01.715 --> 00:15:03.416
 to experience and grow our consciousness.
 
 00:15:03.836 --> 00:15:05.397
 And when we have things that hang us up,
 
 00:15:05.417 --> 00:15:06.577
 whether we're in physical form,
 
 00:15:06.857 --> 00:15:08.240
 we learn growth lessons
 
 00:15:08.259 --> 00:15:09.201
 through relationships
 
 00:15:09.221 --> 00:15:11.082
 challenges these challenges
 
 00:15:11.102 --> 00:15:12.083
 that seem to be the common
 
 00:15:12.104 --> 00:15:13.125
 thing for all of us is how
 
 00:15:13.144 --> 00:15:14.145
 do we let go and how do we
 
 00:15:14.186 --> 00:15:16.668
 learn to love more and even
 
 00:15:16.729 --> 00:15:17.909
 in even in death without a
 
 00:15:17.970 --> 00:15:19.932
 body if there's people that
 
 00:15:19.951 --> 00:15:21.153
 can come in the living so
 
 00:15:21.173 --> 00:15:23.115
 in the flesh into your space as a spirit
 
 00:15:23.395 --> 00:15:24.777
 you've had a tragedy or whatever,
 
 00:15:25.197 --> 00:15:27.379
 and their living experience,
 
 00:15:27.438 --> 00:15:28.499
 living vicariously through
 
 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:29.799
 watching them in their home,
 
 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:31.880
 experiencing the ups and downs.
 
 00:15:31.941 --> 00:15:33.142
 Maybe that person lost a
 
 00:15:33.182 --> 00:15:34.222
 child and never had a child
 
 00:15:34.263 --> 00:15:34.923
 when they were born,
 
 00:15:35.243 --> 00:15:36.244
 but then the home and the
 
 00:15:36.264 --> 00:15:38.004
 family they're living in as a spirit,
 
 00:15:38.284 --> 00:15:39.666
 they have a family and a child,
 
 00:15:39.725 --> 00:15:40.687
 and they can almost be in
 
 00:15:40.706 --> 00:15:41.606
 that space and play with
 
 00:15:41.626 --> 00:15:42.488
 that child or help
 
 00:15:42.827 --> 00:15:44.149
 why watch and guide that
 
 00:15:44.188 --> 00:15:45.349
 child it helps to create a
 
 00:15:45.409 --> 00:15:47.110
 completion sometimes for a
 
 00:15:47.169 --> 00:15:48.350
 spirit for when it is time
 
 00:15:48.370 --> 00:15:49.331
 or when they do decide they
 
 00:15:49.371 --> 00:15:50.672
 want to cross over and
 
 00:15:50.711 --> 00:15:51.852
 disperse so that's just my
 
 00:15:51.893 --> 00:15:53.313
 own experience but I know
 
 00:15:53.573 --> 00:15:54.413
 I've experienced a lot of
 
 00:15:54.434 --> 00:15:55.754
 misconceptions people have
 
 00:15:55.835 --> 00:15:57.296
 have about ghosts but I'd
 
 00:15:57.336 --> 00:15:58.456
 love to see what your
 
 00:15:58.496 --> 00:15:59.616
 thoughts are and what do
 
 00:15:59.636 --> 00:16:00.878
 the common things people
 
 00:16:01.158 --> 00:16:02.778
 say to you that you're like
 
 00:16:02.859 --> 00:16:04.080
 no that's not really true
 
 00:16:05.498 --> 00:16:06.519
 So the most common
 
 00:16:06.558 --> 00:16:07.558
 misconception is that
 
 00:16:07.599 --> 00:16:09.000
 ghosts are something to be afraid of.
 
 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.620
 And while I would put an
 
 00:16:11.760 --> 00:16:12.701
 asterisk on that and say,
 
 00:16:12.780 --> 00:16:13.881
 occasionally that's true,
 
 00:16:13.961 --> 00:16:15.042
 or there's some things out
 
 00:16:15.062 --> 00:16:15.903
 there that I don't think
 
 00:16:15.982 --> 00:16:18.244
 are the same as ghosts, asterisk,
 
 00:16:19.524 --> 00:16:20.625
 most of the time they're
 
 00:16:20.644 --> 00:16:21.625
 trying to communicate.
 
 00:16:22.025 --> 00:16:23.125
 They want you to know they're there.
 
 00:16:23.326 --> 00:16:25.966
 So like the wrappings, the,
 
 00:16:27.227 --> 00:16:29.288
 loud sigh in the room uh
 
 00:16:29.409 --> 00:16:30.690
 your dog or cat staring at
 
 00:16:30.710 --> 00:16:31.850
 the space where there is no
 
 00:16:31.971 --> 00:16:33.011
 one and they're acting like
 
 00:16:33.032 --> 00:16:33.972
 there's somebody there or
 
 00:16:34.033 --> 00:16:35.033
 even interacting with
 
 00:16:35.052 --> 00:16:35.854
 something that you can't
 
 00:16:35.874 --> 00:16:39.777
 see um horses do it too um
 
 00:16:39.797 --> 00:16:40.437
 you know what I'm willing
 
 00:16:40.456 --> 00:16:41.538
 to bet all animals do it
 
 00:16:41.557 --> 00:16:42.558
 those are just the three I
 
 00:16:42.599 --> 00:16:45.421
 have experience with so all
 
 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:46.701
 of these kinds of things
 
 00:16:47.081 --> 00:16:50.303
 are pretty much a ghost or a found spirit
 
 00:16:50.993 --> 00:16:52.234
 interacting with you in the
 
 00:16:52.274 --> 00:16:53.455
 space that you're sharing.
 
 00:16:54.035 --> 00:16:55.576
 Like you are indeed sharing a space.
 
 00:16:55.777 --> 00:16:56.717
 If you have something like
 
 00:16:56.738 --> 00:16:57.477
 this in your home,
 
 00:16:57.859 --> 00:16:59.120
 it doesn't have to be a bad thing.
 
 00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:00.581
 You can cooperate and learn
 
 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:01.181
 from each other.
 
 00:17:01.542 --> 00:17:03.903
 That has been my number one experience.
 
 00:17:05.183 --> 00:17:06.325
 I have interacted many times
 
 00:17:06.345 --> 00:17:07.006
 with a ghost that has
 
 00:17:07.026 --> 00:17:08.686
 helped me find lost things.
 
 00:17:09.988 --> 00:17:10.769
 Very good at it.
 
 00:17:10.788 --> 00:17:11.670
 They're really good at that.
 
 00:17:12.410 --> 00:17:14.191
 um I have uh someone who
 
 00:17:14.230 --> 00:17:15.250
 came to me and she was
 
 00:17:15.270 --> 00:17:15.871
 convinced there was a
 
 00:17:15.951 --> 00:17:17.371
 spirit I said you know what
 
 00:17:18.211 --> 00:17:19.172
 leave out for whatever
 
 00:17:19.192 --> 00:17:19.751
 reason this popped into
 
 00:17:19.771 --> 00:17:20.632
 mind I said leave out a
 
 00:17:20.731 --> 00:17:21.752
 pencil because they're
 
 00:17:21.813 --> 00:17:23.873
 lighter and a piece of
 
 00:17:23.913 --> 00:17:25.294
 paper it's sure enough in
 
 00:17:25.314 --> 00:17:26.493
 the morning she lived alone
 
 00:17:26.854 --> 00:17:28.335
 she got a really hard to
 
 00:17:28.355 --> 00:17:29.194
 read message and it said
 
 00:17:29.255 --> 00:17:31.394
 love dad it wasn't a ghost
 
 00:17:31.474 --> 00:17:32.596
 it wasn't a scary haunting
 
 00:17:32.675 --> 00:17:33.516
 it was her pastor of her
 
 00:17:33.576 --> 00:17:36.156
 father there to either make
 
 00:17:36.196 --> 00:17:37.817
 peace say goodbye something
 
 00:17:37.836 --> 00:17:38.557
 she never heard from him
 
 00:17:38.596 --> 00:17:40.117
 again after that interaction
 
 00:17:41.071 --> 00:17:43.213
 He passed through, like he passed across.
 
 00:17:43.914 --> 00:17:45.796
 So there have been so many
 
 00:17:45.836 --> 00:17:46.616
 stories that I've been
 
 00:17:46.636 --> 00:17:47.978
 witness to where they just
 
 00:17:48.018 --> 00:17:49.159
 are trying to communicate
 
 00:17:49.179 --> 00:17:50.180
 with you for some reason.
 
 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:51.961
 It could be someone that you know,
 
 00:17:52.061 --> 00:17:53.042
 an ancestor,
 
 00:17:53.222 --> 00:17:54.884
 someone who lived in your house before.
 
 00:17:55.464 --> 00:17:56.506
 There's a great story in
 
 00:17:56.526 --> 00:17:57.626
 downtown New York about a
 
 00:17:57.686 --> 00:17:58.646
 ghost that was trying to
 
 00:17:58.686 --> 00:18:00.028
 point out a leak in the plumbing.
 
 00:18:00.882 --> 00:18:02.683
 And at first they were very scared.
 
 00:18:02.703 --> 00:18:03.865
 They were like, oh my gosh,
 
 00:18:03.924 --> 00:18:04.704
 there's a ghost here.
 
 00:18:04.785 --> 00:18:06.145
 And then finally he kept
 
 00:18:06.165 --> 00:18:07.948
 appearing near this wall, near this wall,
 
 00:18:08.028 --> 00:18:10.390
 near this wall, this spectral form.
 
 00:18:10.829 --> 00:18:12.411
 And finally they realized
 
 00:18:12.431 --> 00:18:13.231
 that he was pointing out
 
 00:18:13.251 --> 00:18:14.113
 there was a leak and it was
 
 00:18:14.133 --> 00:18:14.952
 getting really bad.
 
 00:18:14.992 --> 00:18:16.434
 And he was trying to save the building.
 
 00:18:16.795 --> 00:18:18.016
 With a little research and digging,
 
 00:18:18.115 --> 00:18:19.096
 I found out he was one of
 
 00:18:19.116 --> 00:18:20.298
 the original bricklayers in
 
 00:18:20.317 --> 00:18:21.419
 the early nineteen hundreds
 
 00:18:21.499 --> 00:18:22.680
 who built the space.
 
 00:18:23.099 --> 00:18:24.000
 He died right after the
 
 00:18:24.020 --> 00:18:24.820
 building was made and it
 
 00:18:24.840 --> 00:18:26.403
 was a huge source of pride for him.
 
 00:18:26.522 --> 00:18:28.084
 He wanted them to fix it.
 
 00:18:28.124 --> 00:18:28.984
 Wow.
 
 00:18:29.085 --> 00:18:29.325
 Yeah.
 
 00:18:29.846 --> 00:18:31.347
 Yeah, it's the communication.
 
 00:18:31.587 --> 00:18:32.909
 I mean, honestly, as humans,
 
 00:18:32.969 --> 00:18:34.289
 we're not the best at communication.
 
 00:18:34.670 --> 00:18:35.250
 Like we struggle to
 
 00:18:35.269 --> 00:18:36.570
 communicate clearly with each other.
 
 00:18:36.871 --> 00:18:37.932
 We struggle to communicate
 
 00:18:37.951 --> 00:18:38.632
 with our animals.
 
 00:18:39.012 --> 00:18:39.613
 But you know what?
 
 00:18:40.212 --> 00:18:43.355
 These after death, it doesn't change.
 
 00:18:43.635 --> 00:18:46.017
 There's still this lack of communication,
 
 00:18:46.217 --> 00:18:47.278
 lack of understanding and
 
 00:18:47.357 --> 00:18:48.218
 lack of compassion.
 
 00:18:48.578 --> 00:18:50.660
 And I think that most of the time,
 
 00:18:50.859 --> 00:18:51.760
 like I said, asterisk,
 
 00:18:51.780 --> 00:18:52.681
 there are a few exceptions.
 
 00:18:53.201 --> 00:18:53.961
 Most of the time,
 
 00:18:54.301 --> 00:18:55.343
 that is what is going on.
 
 00:18:56.067 --> 00:18:56.787
 I had had that same
 
 00:18:56.846 --> 00:18:58.248
 experience with one of the
 
 00:18:58.288 --> 00:18:59.548
 spirits that lives on our property,
 
 00:18:59.688 --> 00:19:01.288
 Stuart, that you've gotten to meet,
 
 00:19:01.868 --> 00:19:03.888
 with a leak in our basement.
 
 00:19:04.088 --> 00:19:05.529
 He was very adamant and I
 
 00:19:05.569 --> 00:19:08.150
 kept feeling like, what's going on?
 
 00:19:08.190 --> 00:19:09.391
 I'm busy.
 
 00:19:09.550 --> 00:19:11.111
 I remember I pushed my word
 
 00:19:11.131 --> 00:19:12.132
 into the basement and I
 
 00:19:12.172 --> 00:19:13.692
 kept seeing this figure and
 
 00:19:13.711 --> 00:19:15.792
 this sense of strong pulling and magnetic,
 
 00:19:16.673 --> 00:19:17.613
 almost like a yelling.
 
 00:19:17.833 --> 00:19:18.512
 It was startling me.
 
 00:19:18.532 --> 00:19:18.993
 I'm like, what?
 
 00:19:19.193 --> 00:19:19.794
 What do you want?
 
 00:19:19.814 --> 00:19:21.374
 Because I was like,
 
 00:19:21.473 --> 00:19:22.473
 I have to go do things.
 
 00:19:22.674 --> 00:19:23.115
 I went back.
 
 00:19:24.807 --> 00:19:26.428
 I see, the boiler's leaking.
 
 00:19:26.769 --> 00:19:28.069
 Okay, thank you.
 
 00:19:28.670 --> 00:19:31.332
 So that's definitely the
 
 00:19:31.372 --> 00:19:33.074
 case with a lot of the helper spirits.
 
 00:19:33.394 --> 00:19:35.355
 But you're right that communication,
 
 00:19:35.655 --> 00:19:36.476
 it doesn't change.
 
 00:19:36.516 --> 00:19:37.977
 So even as a medium for
 
 00:19:37.997 --> 00:19:38.958
 those who have crossed over,
 
 00:19:39.018 --> 00:19:39.759
 if they weren't the best
 
 00:19:39.778 --> 00:19:40.900
 communicators in life,
 
 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:43.221
 It's harder to connect with them.
 
 00:19:43.280 --> 00:19:44.501
 So usually I ask their
 
 00:19:44.541 --> 00:19:46.182
 guides and get kind of
 
 00:19:46.222 --> 00:19:46.863
 higher source to
 
 00:19:46.903 --> 00:19:47.743
 communicate for them if
 
 00:19:47.763 --> 00:19:49.023
 they still are just showing
 
 00:19:49.064 --> 00:19:49.545
 up in their own
 
 00:19:49.585 --> 00:19:50.525
 personalities that they
 
 00:19:50.565 --> 00:19:51.226
 were not going to be the
 
 00:19:51.246 --> 00:19:52.846
 best at communicating or
 
 00:19:52.885 --> 00:19:53.906
 they were maybe someone
 
 00:19:53.926 --> 00:19:55.407
 that didn't talk about their feelings,
 
 00:19:55.428 --> 00:19:57.009
 you know, like that kind of thing.
 
 00:19:57.048 --> 00:19:58.148
 But it still is nice because
 
 00:19:58.169 --> 00:19:59.630
 they'll identify their
 
 00:19:59.670 --> 00:20:00.691
 personality and take
 
 00:20:00.730 --> 00:20:01.912
 characteristics in that way.
 
 00:20:02.051 --> 00:20:04.413
 But it doesn't always change.
 
 00:20:04.452 --> 00:20:04.952
 So are you...
 
 00:20:06.394 --> 00:20:07.454
 interested in sharing with
 
 00:20:07.555 --> 00:20:09.095
 us how you balance
 
 00:20:09.134 --> 00:20:11.217
 historical accuracy when
 
 00:20:11.237 --> 00:20:12.317
 there's some mysterious
 
 00:20:12.356 --> 00:20:13.617
 factors around some of
 
 00:20:14.137 --> 00:20:16.759
 these elements in these ghost stories.
 
 00:20:16.798 --> 00:20:17.460
 Absolutely.
 
 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:19.780
 So I'm a passionate researcher.
 
 00:20:20.401 --> 00:20:21.182
 I do have a background in
 
 00:20:21.221 --> 00:20:23.163
 journalism and in literally
 
 00:20:23.202 --> 00:20:25.403
 doing research, studied history.
 
 00:20:26.003 --> 00:20:28.986
 And I think that putting these
 
 00:20:30.057 --> 00:20:31.257
 stories especially some of
 
 00:20:31.277 --> 00:20:32.498
 the older ones into the
 
 00:20:32.538 --> 00:20:34.417
 context of their time and
 
 00:20:34.518 --> 00:20:36.019
 understanding more about
 
 00:20:36.098 --> 00:20:37.538
 the life of the person
 
 00:20:37.578 --> 00:20:38.960
 whose story we're telling
 
 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.161
 really not only is good for
 
 00:20:42.181 --> 00:20:45.102
 the spirit itself but also
 
 00:20:45.201 --> 00:20:46.021
 for the living to
 
 00:20:46.142 --> 00:20:49.623
 understand a the history and b that
 
 00:20:50.369 --> 00:20:52.490
 human beings don't change that much.
 
 00:20:54.050 --> 00:20:55.070
 A lot of the ghost stories I
 
 00:20:55.111 --> 00:20:56.790
 tell talk about, for example, lost love.
 
 00:20:57.371 --> 00:20:58.751
 Lost love is something that
 
 00:20:58.811 --> 00:20:59.852
 everybody experiences at
 
 00:20:59.892 --> 00:21:01.051
 least once during their lifetime,
 
 00:21:01.112 --> 00:21:01.811
 probably.
 
 00:21:01.991 --> 00:21:03.873
 Even if it's like the loss of a pet,
 
 00:21:04.212 --> 00:21:05.512
 you experience the loss of
 
 00:21:05.573 --> 00:21:06.673
 something or someone,
 
 00:21:06.833 --> 00:21:08.854
 some soul that you love at some point.
 
 00:21:09.513 --> 00:21:11.193
 And so many ghost stories
 
 00:21:11.253 --> 00:21:12.535
 revolve around lost love.
 
 00:21:13.095 --> 00:21:14.575
 So many ghosts are waiting
 
 00:21:14.654 --> 00:21:16.035
 for their love to come back,
 
 00:21:16.095 --> 00:21:18.695
 whether that was a man gone for war or
 
 00:21:19.425 --> 00:21:21.007
 um a woman who went out to
 
 00:21:21.047 --> 00:21:21.846
 run an errand and never
 
 00:21:21.886 --> 00:21:23.607
 came home a lot of times
 
 00:21:23.627 --> 00:21:25.108
 these spirits wait and they
 
 00:21:25.608 --> 00:21:28.410
 are still hoping for their
 
 00:21:28.450 --> 00:21:30.151
 love to come back uh it
 
 00:21:30.171 --> 00:21:31.010
 happens with children too
 
 00:21:31.271 --> 00:21:33.873
 which is especially sad um
 
 00:21:33.893 --> 00:21:34.873
 there is a ghost I
 
 00:21:34.893 --> 00:21:36.874
 encountered where he was
 
 00:21:37.134 --> 00:21:38.894
 angry at being deserted and
 
 00:21:38.954 --> 00:21:40.036
 his presence took up a lot
 
 00:21:40.076 --> 00:21:40.996
 of space in this person's
 
 00:21:41.036 --> 00:21:43.076
 home a huge amount of
 
 00:21:43.775 --> 00:21:45.016
 negative weighty space.
 
 00:21:45.036 --> 00:21:46.457
 Like literally the higher
 
 00:21:46.497 --> 00:21:47.357
 you went in the house,
 
 00:21:47.397 --> 00:21:48.818
 you felt like your body was
 
 00:21:48.838 --> 00:21:50.160
 getting heavier and being pushed down.
 
 00:21:50.740 --> 00:21:51.580
 And it turned out to be a
 
 00:21:51.662 --> 00:21:53.163
 child whose mother died.
 
 00:21:53.282 --> 00:21:55.144
 And he had also died in an
 
 00:21:55.203 --> 00:21:56.905
 accident and was waiting
 
 00:21:56.925 --> 00:21:57.946
 for her to come back.
 
 00:21:58.567 --> 00:22:00.127
 And she was never coming back.
 
 00:22:00.249 --> 00:22:01.910
 She had successfully crossed over.
 
 00:22:02.309 --> 00:22:02.830
 He hadn't.
 
 00:22:03.527 --> 00:22:04.688
 And he was still in the
 
 00:22:04.728 --> 00:22:06.169
 family home waiting.
 
 00:22:06.670 --> 00:22:07.910
 And when I went in with the media,
 
 00:22:09.030 --> 00:22:10.972
 he reported that the young
 
 00:22:11.012 --> 00:22:12.594
 man was still waiting for
 
 00:22:12.653 --> 00:22:13.994
 mom to come home because
 
 00:22:14.015 --> 00:22:14.816
 there was no dinner.
 
 00:22:15.155 --> 00:22:16.037
 And we didn't know when they
 
 00:22:16.057 --> 00:22:17.278
 were gonna go to the baseball game.
 
 00:22:17.958 --> 00:22:20.440
 And the media was trying to
 
 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:21.121
 communicate like,
 
 00:22:21.421 --> 00:22:23.281
 she's already passed through.
 
 00:22:24.022 --> 00:22:25.163
 It's time for you to
 
 00:22:25.203 --> 00:22:27.285
 consider the same or get
 
 00:22:27.325 --> 00:22:27.885
 out of this house.
 
 00:22:28.702 --> 00:22:29.644
 You know,
 
 00:22:29.723 --> 00:22:31.184
 it's like there's a baseball stadium now.
 
 00:22:31.345 --> 00:22:32.365
 You could go watch baseball
 
 00:22:32.384 --> 00:22:33.506
 yourself anytime.
 
 00:22:34.007 --> 00:22:34.366
 You know,
 
 00:22:35.186 --> 00:22:37.008
 he was like he was trying to give
 
 00:22:37.028 --> 00:22:38.088
 the spirit options,
 
 00:22:38.128 --> 00:22:39.990
 but the spirit was very stuck.
 
 00:22:40.371 --> 00:22:40.671
 And, you know,
 
 00:22:40.750 --> 00:22:41.550
 I think that's something a
 
 00:22:41.570 --> 00:22:42.832
 lot of people can relate to
 
 00:22:42.872 --> 00:22:44.212
 in their living time as well.
 
 00:22:44.693 --> 00:22:45.913
 The feeling of stuckness
 
 00:22:46.275 --> 00:22:49.717
 that a lot of the ghosts also experience.
 
 00:22:51.181 --> 00:22:52.161
 Yeah, it's no different.
 
 00:22:52.260 --> 00:22:53.201
 I feel like sometimes I'm
 
 00:22:53.241 --> 00:22:56.103
 like a medium psychologist
 
 00:22:56.123 --> 00:22:57.844
 for some of the spirits.
 
 00:22:58.284 --> 00:22:59.324
 I'm not trained in
 
 00:22:59.403 --> 00:23:00.704
 psychology for the living,
 
 00:23:00.805 --> 00:23:02.365
 but when it comes to the dead, hey,
 
 00:23:02.424 --> 00:23:02.984
 what are the ethical
 
 00:23:03.005 --> 00:23:03.925
 boundaries of working with
 
 00:23:03.965 --> 00:23:05.006
 someone who's crossed over
 
 00:23:05.046 --> 00:23:06.207
 when you're not licensed?
 
 00:23:08.146 --> 00:23:08.948
 It's really true.
 
 00:23:09.288 --> 00:23:10.367
 There's been multiple times
 
 00:23:10.407 --> 00:23:11.509
 where I've had to help.
 
 00:23:11.848 --> 00:23:12.709
 It's really about helping
 
 00:23:12.729 --> 00:23:13.909
 people come to resolution
 
 00:23:13.949 --> 00:23:15.049
 and surrender and letting go.
 
 00:23:16.109 --> 00:23:18.751
 And it is, with elements of mediumship,
 
 00:23:19.251 --> 00:23:22.034
 it's communicating via charades.
 
 00:23:22.453 --> 00:23:24.234
 It's sending messages, sending pictures,
 
 00:23:24.275 --> 00:23:26.276
 sending emotions, talking out loud,
 
 00:23:26.336 --> 00:23:26.935
 using the voice.
 
 00:23:26.955 --> 00:23:28.196
 It's using the consciousness
 
 00:23:28.557 --> 00:23:29.637
 and guides and helpers to
 
 00:23:29.678 --> 00:23:30.678
 help that person move on.
 
 00:23:31.298 --> 00:23:33.019
 And a lot of times that is,
 
 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:35.080
 I just feel like it's an
 
 00:23:35.141 --> 00:23:36.261
 intervention sometimes.
 
 00:23:36.281 --> 00:23:36.981
 Yeah.
 
 00:23:37.711 --> 00:23:38.790
 When you're asking about the
 
 00:23:38.851 --> 00:23:39.852
 history component,
 
 00:23:40.311 --> 00:23:41.372
 the history component is
 
 00:23:41.392 --> 00:23:42.471
 the grind of this.
 
 00:23:42.632 --> 00:23:44.212
 It is sitting for hours in a
 
 00:23:44.252 --> 00:23:45.232
 research library,
 
 00:23:45.333 --> 00:23:46.212
 looking through stacks and
 
 00:23:46.232 --> 00:23:47.213
 stacks of paper for a
 
 00:23:47.273 --> 00:23:48.193
 needle in a haystack.
 
 00:23:48.673 --> 00:23:50.994
 It is looking on obituary
 
 00:23:51.035 --> 00:23:52.714
 after obituary after obituary,
 
 00:23:53.035 --> 00:23:55.556
 wondering this name that a medium got.
 
 00:23:55.715 --> 00:23:56.656
 A, is it even correct?
 
 00:23:57.057 --> 00:23:59.136
 B, was it a nickname?
 
 00:23:59.717 --> 00:24:01.337
 There's a ghost in New York named Jojo.
 
 00:24:01.938 --> 00:24:03.199
 uh was she joanna was she
 
 00:24:03.378 --> 00:24:04.720
 josephine was she neither
 
 00:24:04.779 --> 00:24:06.201
 of those you know I did
 
 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:07.362
 eventually find her and she
 
 00:24:07.402 --> 00:24:09.583
 was joanna but I didn't
 
 00:24:09.623 --> 00:24:10.304
 know even within the
 
 00:24:10.324 --> 00:24:12.464
 context that joanne joanna
 
 00:24:12.765 --> 00:24:14.145
 is there any is there no e
 
 00:24:14.425 --> 00:24:15.727
 like you just spend hours
 
 00:24:15.767 --> 00:24:16.988
 and hours doing the
 
 00:24:17.008 --> 00:24:18.189
 historical research trying
 
 00:24:18.209 --> 00:24:19.869
 to figure out who was this
 
 00:24:19.930 --> 00:24:21.330
 person what was their life
 
 00:24:21.391 --> 00:24:23.692
 like um and then you could
 
 00:24:23.791 --> 00:24:26.074
 finally puzzle piece their story together
 
 00:24:26.553 --> 00:24:30.258
 to a complete picture of life.
 
 00:24:30.278 --> 00:24:30.357
 Yeah.
 
 00:24:30.377 --> 00:24:31.499
 I love that so much,
 
 00:24:31.578 --> 00:24:32.440
 especially when you have
 
 00:24:32.500 --> 00:24:34.162
 both ends that you are
 
 00:24:34.201 --> 00:24:35.604
 sensitive in your nature to
 
 00:24:35.624 --> 00:24:37.145
 be able to pick up and work
 
 00:24:37.165 --> 00:24:38.267
 with other mediums too and
 
 00:24:38.287 --> 00:24:39.208
 to get the clear picture
 
 00:24:39.228 --> 00:24:40.349
 from the spiritual side and
 
 00:24:40.369 --> 00:24:42.051
 then the historical side.
 
 00:24:42.112 --> 00:24:43.232
 I think that's fantastic.
 
 00:24:43.953 --> 00:24:44.875
 So do you notice any
 
 00:24:44.934 --> 00:24:46.715
 patterns or differences in
 
 00:24:47.155 --> 00:24:47.797
 ghost stories from
 
 00:24:47.836 --> 00:24:49.817
 different regions when you're traveling?
 
 00:24:50.018 --> 00:24:51.378
 And how are these different
 
 00:24:51.419 --> 00:24:52.240
 for like cultural,
 
 00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:53.780
 historical backgrounds in
 
 00:24:53.800 --> 00:24:54.701
 particular areas?
 
 00:24:55.040 --> 00:24:56.782
 Like Gettysburg is one we all know about.
 
 00:24:57.123 --> 00:24:57.982
 So tell me,
 
 00:24:58.022 --> 00:25:00.285
 because I know places feel different.
 
 00:25:00.565 --> 00:25:01.445
 Everywhere has a different
 
 00:25:01.526 --> 00:25:02.567
 energetic frequency.
 
 00:25:02.886 --> 00:25:04.248
 And so that's going to affect the,
 
 00:25:04.528 --> 00:25:05.729
 and of course the background, the history,
 
 00:25:05.749 --> 00:25:06.788
 the culture of that area.
 
 00:25:07.130 --> 00:25:08.450
 But, you know, the ley lines,
 
 00:25:08.470 --> 00:25:10.592
 there's a lot of aspects to that.
 
 00:25:10.612 --> 00:25:11.752
 So how's that for you when
 
 00:25:11.772 --> 00:25:12.972
 it comes to the differences
 
 00:25:13.012 --> 00:25:13.594
 in the stories?
 
 00:25:14.534 --> 00:25:16.795
 so I feel like ghost stories
 
 00:25:16.875 --> 00:25:17.934
 always run along similar
 
 00:25:17.974 --> 00:25:19.855
 themes they are always
 
 00:25:20.875 --> 00:25:21.915
 intelligent spirits again
 
 00:25:22.576 --> 00:25:24.096
 um they always run along
 
 00:25:24.136 --> 00:25:25.557
 similar themes there's a
 
 00:25:25.717 --> 00:25:26.977
 reason they're here is
 
 00:25:27.057 --> 00:25:28.317
 probably something they
 
 00:25:28.397 --> 00:25:30.577
 loved and or hated
 
 00:25:30.798 --> 00:25:31.617
 occasionally you get that
 
 00:25:31.657 --> 00:25:33.838
 too but as someone who
 
 00:25:33.878 --> 00:25:35.459
 wants justice you you do
 
 00:25:35.499 --> 00:25:39.359
 find those um places I
 
 00:25:39.380 --> 00:25:42.221
 think all places can hold a spirit
 
 00:25:43.015 --> 00:25:44.276
 Some places are more prone
 
 00:25:44.296 --> 00:25:46.717
 to holding a spirit somewhere.
 
 00:25:46.737 --> 00:25:47.637
 There was a war like
 
 00:25:47.657 --> 00:25:50.378
 Gettysburg or any number of other places,
 
 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:51.700
 you know, Valley Forge.
 
 00:25:52.267 --> 00:25:54.508
 There's just there was more death.
 
 00:25:54.748 --> 00:25:55.788
 There was more loss.
 
 00:25:56.148 --> 00:25:57.048
 There's just simply going to
 
 00:25:57.068 --> 00:25:57.888
 be more stuff.
 
 00:25:58.450 --> 00:25:59.910
 But there's been death everywhere.
 
 00:26:00.830 --> 00:26:02.171
 And there's probably not an
 
 00:26:02.310 --> 00:26:03.291
 inch of this earth that
 
 00:26:03.332 --> 00:26:04.551
 hasn't had a creature or a
 
 00:26:04.632 --> 00:26:05.752
 human being die on it.
 
 00:26:06.113 --> 00:26:06.512
 Period.
 
 00:26:06.692 --> 00:26:07.313
 End of story.
 
 00:26:07.333 --> 00:26:08.114
 You know,
 
 00:26:08.233 --> 00:26:09.074
 one of the most interesting
 
 00:26:09.114 --> 00:26:11.055
 questions I've ever fielded was,
 
 00:26:11.835 --> 00:26:13.695
 why don't I see ghosts of dinosaurs?
 
 00:26:14.638 --> 00:26:15.338
 And I was like,
 
 00:26:15.358 --> 00:26:17.539
 that is such a good question, you know,
 
 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:18.440
 because I do there are
 
 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:20.101
 ghosts of animals and there
 
 00:26:20.161 --> 00:26:21.580
 are ghosts dating back to
 
 00:26:21.601 --> 00:26:22.842
 the maybe fourteen hundreds
 
 00:26:22.862 --> 00:26:23.662
 that people report.
 
 00:26:24.682 --> 00:26:26.323
 Why aren't there ghosts of dinosaurs?
 
 00:26:26.803 --> 00:26:27.742
 I don't have a good answer
 
 00:26:27.762 --> 00:26:28.403
 for that question.
 
 00:26:29.104 --> 00:26:30.723
 I don't know anybody that's ever seen one.
 
 00:26:30.784 --> 00:26:31.903
 I've never taken a report of
 
 00:26:32.044 --> 00:26:33.464
 one and no other researcher
 
 00:26:33.605 --> 00:26:34.744
 I know has ever gotten one.
 
 00:26:35.766 --> 00:26:38.467
 Why are those souls gone and
 
 00:26:38.626 --> 00:26:39.487
 others aren't?
 
 00:26:39.886 --> 00:26:40.787
 I can't even explain.
 
 00:26:41.467 --> 00:26:42.867
 I have a hypothesis.
 
 00:26:44.025 --> 00:26:46.009
 This is just a hypothesis.
 
 00:26:46.612 --> 00:26:47.753
 So in nature,
 
 00:26:48.055 --> 00:26:51.584
 nature in its natural form grows, evolves,
 
 00:26:51.604 --> 00:26:52.968
 it lives, it breathes, it breeds,
 
 00:26:53.430 --> 00:26:54.351
 all the things sleeps,
 
 00:26:54.931 --> 00:26:56.291
 and then it naturally lets go.
 
 00:26:56.432 --> 00:26:57.811
 When a bird or an animal
 
 00:26:57.852 --> 00:26:59.192
 gets in a fight most of the time,
 
 00:26:59.532 --> 00:27:01.433
 or they're upset, they let go.
 
 00:27:01.994 --> 00:27:04.655
 And so the lower evolved
 
 00:27:04.695 --> 00:27:06.217
 parts of the brain that we still have,
 
 00:27:06.257 --> 00:27:07.317
 the reptilian brain,
 
 00:27:07.738 --> 00:27:09.218
 that's the primal nature.
 
 00:27:09.578 --> 00:27:10.818
 It doesn't have this higher
 
 00:27:10.898 --> 00:27:12.240
 memory that holds onto things.
 
 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:13.980
 It's more reactive in the moment.
 
 00:27:14.560 --> 00:27:14.941
 always.
 
 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.862
 So it's easier to let go in the moment,
 
 00:27:17.201 --> 00:27:18.883
 you know, that the reptile, the alligator,
 
 00:27:18.903 --> 00:27:21.044
 it gets its food or the dinosaur.
 
 00:27:21.124 --> 00:27:22.644
 And then it like, let's go.
 
 00:27:22.924 --> 00:27:24.105
 It's not until we had the
 
 00:27:24.125 --> 00:27:25.567
 higher evolved parts of the brain,
 
 00:27:25.846 --> 00:27:26.767
 the mammalian brain,
 
 00:27:26.906 --> 00:27:28.067
 and this whole sense of,
 
 00:27:28.288 --> 00:27:29.689
 we see more animals,
 
 00:27:29.828 --> 00:27:31.769
 even that when they get in trauma,
 
 00:27:32.849 --> 00:27:34.290
 you rescue an animal from the shelter,
 
 00:27:34.490 --> 00:27:35.111
 they have a part of their
 
 00:27:35.131 --> 00:27:37.112
 brain that remembers in a deeper way.
 
 00:27:37.172 --> 00:27:38.211
 And it's not just in this
 
 00:27:38.531 --> 00:27:40.752
 more of like a primal eat, sleep, drink,
 
 00:27:40.873 --> 00:27:43.233
 you know, mate, and it's more connection.
 
 00:27:43.374 --> 00:27:44.394
 And they remember through
 
 00:27:44.413 --> 00:27:45.414
 these social connections,
 
 00:27:45.434 --> 00:27:46.775
 that's what the mammalian brain does.
 
 00:27:47.095 --> 00:27:48.895
 And so that's where as humans,
 
 00:27:49.135 --> 00:27:50.416
 that's where we get into,
 
 00:27:50.557 --> 00:27:52.116
 we could say the disease or
 
 00:27:52.156 --> 00:27:53.617
 the sickness of not letting go,
 
 00:27:53.718 --> 00:27:55.459
 the emotional pain that we
 
 00:27:55.499 --> 00:27:56.499
 hold onto because we have
 
 00:27:56.618 --> 00:27:59.160
 memory and history and we process time.
 
 00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:01.060
 And I think that's different
 
 00:28:01.340 --> 00:28:02.461
 when you have an animal
 
 00:28:02.761 --> 00:28:03.883
 that doesn't do that.
 
 00:28:04.463 --> 00:28:06.365
 It it may not residually
 
 00:28:06.404 --> 00:28:07.566
 haunt or stick around.
 
 00:28:07.786 --> 00:28:09.086
 That's my hypothesis.
 
 00:28:09.166 --> 00:28:11.107
 So I'd love to hear people's
 
 00:28:11.167 --> 00:28:12.229
 thoughts on that, actually.
 
 00:28:12.308 --> 00:28:13.829
 Any other listeners like I really would.
 
 00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:15.730
 But that's my hypothesis.
 
 00:28:15.750 --> 00:28:16.692
 I think that's actually a
 
 00:28:16.791 --> 00:28:18.693
 really strong hypothesis.
 
 00:28:18.713 --> 00:28:19.653
 I I like it.
 
 00:28:19.673 --> 00:28:20.795
 It works for me.
 
 00:28:20.835 --> 00:28:20.934
 Yeah.
 
 00:28:21.556 --> 00:28:21.996
 Yeah.
 
 00:28:23.259 --> 00:28:24.540
 So we're talking about
 
 00:28:24.621 --> 00:28:25.481
 getting rid of the fear
 
 00:28:25.501 --> 00:28:27.143
 around ghosts in general today.
 
 00:28:27.623 --> 00:28:29.104
 But we know that people talk
 
 00:28:29.144 --> 00:28:31.325
 about bad ghosts or bad spirits.
 
 00:28:31.826 --> 00:28:33.207
 And really,
 
 00:28:33.366 --> 00:28:35.728
 are they bad people that need healing?
 
 00:28:36.269 --> 00:28:37.048
 What do you see as far as
 
 00:28:37.068 --> 00:28:38.829
 the processing for your
 
 00:28:38.869 --> 00:28:39.590
 work when you've worked
 
 00:28:39.611 --> 00:28:41.092
 with people who are helping
 
 00:28:41.132 --> 00:28:42.113
 spirits cross over?
 
 00:28:42.613 --> 00:28:43.333
 And do you think there's a
 
 00:28:43.373 --> 00:28:44.733
 role that we do help as
 
 00:28:44.773 --> 00:28:46.095
 humans to help some of the
 
 00:28:46.115 --> 00:28:46.935
 spirits move onward?
 
 00:28:47.489 --> 00:28:47.848
 Yes,
 
 00:28:47.909 --> 00:28:49.130
 and there's several answers to that
 
 00:28:49.170 --> 00:28:49.569
 question.
 
 00:28:49.730 --> 00:28:50.150
 First,
 
 00:28:50.690 --> 00:28:52.570
 just like there are people in this
 
 00:28:52.631 --> 00:28:55.492
 world who are different
 
 00:28:55.512 --> 00:28:56.772
 from most of us and that
 
 00:28:56.813 --> 00:28:57.913
 they don't process
 
 00:28:57.973 --> 00:28:59.773
 information in the same way.
 
 00:29:00.214 --> 00:29:04.676
 So we label them bad or evil or troubled.
 
 00:29:06.181 --> 00:29:06.740
 That's real.
 
 00:29:06.961 --> 00:29:07.942
 Those things really happen.
 
 00:29:08.541 --> 00:29:11.682
 And I would say that many of
 
 00:29:11.702 --> 00:29:12.463
 them could be helped.
 
 00:29:12.584 --> 00:29:13.403
 And then I have a
 
 00:29:13.443 --> 00:29:14.183
 psychologist friend I
 
 00:29:14.223 --> 00:29:15.164
 talked to about this very thing.
 
 00:29:15.184 --> 00:29:16.305
 And she said not all of them
 
 00:29:16.384 --> 00:29:17.204
 can be helped.
 
 00:29:17.586 --> 00:29:18.365
 Sometimes their brain
 
 00:29:18.385 --> 00:29:19.886
 chemistry is just different.
 
 00:29:20.886 --> 00:29:22.047
 And I think that the spirit
 
 00:29:22.067 --> 00:29:23.048
 world sees that, too.
 
 00:29:23.688 --> 00:29:25.848
 So when those souls cross over,
 
 00:29:25.949 --> 00:29:27.190
 if they don't find peace,
 
 00:29:27.390 --> 00:29:28.329
 they could stick around.
 
 00:29:29.065 --> 00:29:29.305
 Now,
 
 00:29:29.525 --> 00:29:31.145
 you will definitely find what we call
 
 00:29:31.165 --> 00:29:32.486
 these malevolent spirits
 
 00:29:32.586 --> 00:29:34.247
 hanging out in particular places,
 
 00:29:34.886 --> 00:29:36.647
 maybe where they died or a
 
 00:29:36.667 --> 00:29:38.189
 lot of times around dark
 
 00:29:38.209 --> 00:29:41.210
 places where they suffered like prisons.
 
 00:29:41.529 --> 00:29:42.630
 So a great example would be
 
 00:29:42.690 --> 00:29:44.030
 Eastern Penn in Philadelphia.
 
 00:29:44.211 --> 00:29:45.990
 A lot of people report what
 
 00:29:46.011 --> 00:29:47.192
 they call shadow people there.
 
 00:29:47.818 --> 00:29:48.558
 Shadow people are very
 
 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.941
 specific kind of ghosts and
 
 00:29:51.080 --> 00:29:52.382
 they are usually considered
 
 00:29:52.422 --> 00:29:53.201
 a dark entity.
 
 00:29:53.221 --> 00:29:54.182
 They are usually considered
 
 00:29:54.202 --> 00:29:55.083
 an entity that doesn't
 
 00:29:55.123 --> 00:29:57.023
 necessarily mean you well.
 
 00:29:57.704 --> 00:29:59.465
 And I have encountered one
 
 00:29:59.486 --> 00:30:00.566
 shadow person in my life.
 
 00:30:00.726 --> 00:30:01.826
 I was a child at the time.
 
 00:30:02.647 --> 00:30:04.328
 I do remember it fairly well.
 
 00:30:04.548 --> 00:30:05.989
 It was definitely not a dream.
 
 00:30:06.230 --> 00:30:07.369
 And interestingly,
 
 00:30:08.651 --> 00:30:09.592
 I have collected stories of
 
 00:30:09.692 --> 00:30:11.432
 other shadow people throughout this town.
 
 00:30:12.393 --> 00:30:12.633
 So...
 
 00:30:13.968 --> 00:30:15.089
 Back to Eastern Penn,
 
 00:30:16.071 --> 00:30:19.297
 around places like prisons or asylums,
 
 00:30:19.416 --> 00:30:20.859
 you find a lot of the
 
 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:21.922
 shadow people activity.
 
 00:30:22.631 --> 00:30:23.511
 I don't know what they are.
 
 00:30:23.892 --> 00:30:24.952
 I can't explain it to you.
 
 00:30:25.173 --> 00:30:25.813
 I can tell you what it
 
 00:30:25.833 --> 00:30:26.894
 looked like when I saw it.
 
 00:30:26.953 --> 00:30:28.914
 It was a very tall, dark figure.
 
 00:30:29.596 --> 00:30:30.895
 It did not have on a hat.
 
 00:30:31.017 --> 00:30:32.798
 Some people report that they wear a hat.
 
 00:30:33.597 --> 00:30:34.318
 I didn't see that.
 
 00:30:35.398 --> 00:30:36.359
 I didn't see any glowing red
 
 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:37.381
 eyes or anything like that.
 
 00:30:37.401 --> 00:30:38.340
 That sounds a little bit
 
 00:30:38.761 --> 00:30:39.842
 sensational to me.
 
 00:30:40.182 --> 00:30:41.522
 But if somebody is listening
 
 00:30:41.542 --> 00:30:42.223
 and that's what they saw,
 
 00:30:42.304 --> 00:30:43.884
 then you know what you saw.
 
 00:30:43.964 --> 00:30:44.986
 That's just not what I saw.
 
 00:30:45.801 --> 00:30:46.962
 What I saw had no face,
 
 00:30:47.403 --> 00:30:48.703
 but it did have a very bad
 
 00:30:48.784 --> 00:30:49.884
 feeling around it.
 
 00:30:50.384 --> 00:30:51.585
 And it could communicate
 
 00:30:51.625 --> 00:30:54.145
 with me without a mouth, without a face.
 
 00:30:54.747 --> 00:30:56.887
 And I remember like I was a kid,
 
 00:30:56.928 --> 00:30:57.847
 I was very precocious.
 
 00:30:58.008 --> 00:30:58.909
 I guess that hasn't changed.
 
 00:30:59.669 --> 00:31:01.470
 But I was kind of like, no,
 
 00:31:01.529 --> 00:31:02.309
 why would I come with you?
 
 00:31:02.490 --> 00:31:03.810
 Like, what do you what do you want?
 
 00:31:04.391 --> 00:31:05.531
 And it finally gave up on me
 
 00:31:05.551 --> 00:31:06.071
 and pushed on.
 
 00:31:06.653 --> 00:31:09.634
 So whatever it wanted, I never knew,
 
 00:31:09.854 --> 00:31:11.974
 but I knew it could somehow
 
 00:31:12.154 --> 00:31:13.036
 communicate with me.
 
 00:31:14.061 --> 00:31:14.883
 That said,
 
 00:31:15.924 --> 00:31:16.826
 other people have very different
 
 00:31:16.846 --> 00:31:17.788
 interactions with shadow
 
 00:31:17.827 --> 00:31:19.549
 people that are very scary.
 
 00:31:20.171 --> 00:31:21.614
 And like I said, asterisk,
 
 00:31:21.634 --> 00:31:23.076
 there are some dark spirits out there.
 
 00:31:23.296 --> 00:31:24.637
 This is an example of that.
 
 00:31:24.939 --> 00:31:26.781
 Shadow people are dark spirits,
 
 00:31:26.942 --> 00:31:28.223
 literally dark spirits.
 
 00:31:28.990 --> 00:31:29.431
 However,
 
 00:31:29.510 --> 00:31:31.031
 there are other ghosts that do
 
 00:31:31.471 --> 00:31:33.073
 manifest with a dark mist
 
 00:31:33.153 --> 00:31:34.012
 around them that doesn't
 
 00:31:34.032 --> 00:31:35.133
 make them shadow people.
 
 00:31:35.493 --> 00:31:36.894
 That's just how sometimes
 
 00:31:36.913 --> 00:31:38.734
 it's just how the light hits, you know,
 
 00:31:38.815 --> 00:31:39.674
 or whatever else.
 
 00:31:39.775 --> 00:31:40.935
 So I don't want to create a
 
 00:31:40.996 --> 00:31:43.977
 panicky fear around dark shadowy figures.
 
 00:31:44.777 --> 00:31:46.178
 Shadow people are a specific thing.
 
 00:31:46.518 --> 00:31:48.318
 And I am pretty sure that if you see one,
 
 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:50.058
 you will absolutely know
 
 00:31:50.098 --> 00:31:50.839
 what you're looking at.
 
 00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:51.700
 Yeah.
 
 00:31:52.951 --> 00:31:54.212
 they are not stuck to a place.
 
 00:31:54.292 --> 00:31:55.013
 As far as I know,
 
 00:31:55.233 --> 00:31:56.654
 they are quite mobile and
 
 00:31:56.674 --> 00:31:57.615
 they can go where they want,
 
 00:31:57.895 --> 00:31:59.218
 but they are attracted to
 
 00:31:59.698 --> 00:32:00.538
 negative energy.
 
 00:32:01.078 --> 00:32:02.980
 So somewhere where there is suffering,
 
 00:32:03.181 --> 00:32:05.063
 stress, loss, pain,
 
 00:32:05.663 --> 00:32:06.483
 there's just going to be
 
 00:32:06.544 --> 00:32:07.444
 more of them around.
 
 00:32:08.226 --> 00:32:10.047
 Um, lots of arguments and fighting.
 
 00:32:10.186 --> 00:32:10.847
 They'll show up.
 
 00:32:11.107 --> 00:32:11.769
 They, they,
 
 00:32:11.888 --> 00:32:13.971
 it's almost like they eat bad energy.
 
 00:32:14.050 --> 00:32:14.451
 I don't know.
 
 00:32:14.471 --> 00:32:15.152
 That doesn't make sense,
 
 00:32:15.192 --> 00:32:16.432
 but it's the only way I
 
 00:32:16.452 --> 00:32:17.394
 could think of to describe it.
 
 00:32:17.413 --> 00:32:18.575
 Uh, you're,
 
 00:32:19.113 --> 00:32:19.953
 Does that make sense to you?
 
 00:32:20.253 --> 00:32:22.476
 It's like that's what they long for.
 
 00:32:22.576 --> 00:32:23.636
 It's what they want.
 
 00:32:24.857 --> 00:32:25.878
 I don't know what they are.
 
 00:32:26.179 --> 00:32:27.560
 I can't explain them away.
 
 00:32:27.941 --> 00:32:30.242
 But I have collected lots of
 
 00:32:30.282 --> 00:32:31.825
 stories from people who witnessed them.
 
 00:32:32.005 --> 00:32:33.226
 And it is an alarming
 
 00:32:33.365 --> 00:32:35.387
 experience versus a regular
 
 00:32:35.448 --> 00:32:36.828
 earthbound spirit or ghost.
 
 00:32:38.269 --> 00:32:39.171
 It feels different.
 
 00:32:39.632 --> 00:32:40.772
 It feels very different.
 
 00:32:41.173 --> 00:32:42.453
 Like a cold spot in a room
 
 00:32:42.574 --> 00:32:43.394
 doesn't scare me.
 
 00:32:43.694 --> 00:32:44.976
 A shadow person is something
 
 00:32:45.016 --> 00:32:45.636
 I don't want to encounter.
 
 00:32:46.481 --> 00:32:46.902
 Yeah,
 
 00:32:47.001 --> 00:32:48.222
 and so that's something I think
 
 00:32:48.262 --> 00:32:49.983
 that's why people,
 
 00:32:50.443 --> 00:32:51.344
 if they had experiences
 
 00:32:51.364 --> 00:32:52.444
 like that or had someone or
 
 00:32:52.505 --> 00:32:53.484
 heard someone or there's
 
 00:32:53.545 --> 00:32:54.526
 stories or there's movies
 
 00:32:54.566 --> 00:32:55.465
 about things like that,
 
 00:32:55.865 --> 00:32:56.946
 I think that's where ghosts
 
 00:32:56.967 --> 00:32:57.886
 get a bad rap.
 
 00:32:58.366 --> 00:33:00.508
 Because when it comes to my
 
 00:33:00.548 --> 00:33:01.348
 personal opinion and
 
 00:33:01.409 --> 00:33:02.548
 experience with those types
 
 00:33:02.588 --> 00:33:04.809
 of things is I see
 
 00:33:04.910 --> 00:33:06.550
 everything in life is an
 
 00:33:06.611 --> 00:33:08.771
 opportunity for learning, growth,
 
 00:33:08.991 --> 00:33:09.692
 setting boundaries,
 
 00:33:10.031 --> 00:33:11.232
 greater expansion of love.
 
 00:33:11.813 --> 00:33:13.454
 And in a universe where all
 
 00:33:13.474 --> 00:33:14.355
 things are welcome,
 
 00:33:14.435 --> 00:33:16.137
 there's all the power of choice,
 
 00:33:16.837 --> 00:33:19.060
 choice to choose love or fear.
 
 00:33:19.641 --> 00:33:21.803
 When you are in a specific headspace,
 
 00:33:21.844 --> 00:33:23.144
 even in your waking life,
 
 00:33:23.484 --> 00:33:25.007
 you will be more optimistic.
 
 00:33:25.047 --> 00:33:25.586
 You will have more
 
 00:33:25.626 --> 00:33:27.028
 optimistic family members.
 
 00:33:27.048 --> 00:33:28.089
 You won't be attracted to be
 
 00:33:28.130 --> 00:33:29.030
 around friends or family
 
 00:33:29.050 --> 00:33:30.593
 that are kind of in this negative space.
 
 00:33:30.613 --> 00:33:31.292
 You'll kind of be like,
 
 00:33:31.773 --> 00:33:32.795
 I don't know about that anymore.
 
 00:33:33.185 --> 00:33:34.867
 But I think that if you want
 
 00:33:34.887 --> 00:33:37.931
 to label the shadow people with that term,
 
 00:33:38.332 --> 00:33:39.732
 I do think it's actually
 
 00:33:39.813 --> 00:33:41.575
 more so a sense of the
 
 00:33:41.634 --> 00:33:44.357
 consciousness of fear, anger, hate,
 
 00:33:44.798 --> 00:33:46.200
 rage personified.
 
 00:33:46.580 --> 00:33:47.381
 And if we want to believe it
 
 00:33:47.461 --> 00:33:49.384
 as actually an entity, we could say that.
 
 00:33:49.423 --> 00:33:50.163
 But I think entity,
 
 00:33:50.744 --> 00:33:51.586
 people are afraid of that
 
 00:33:51.625 --> 00:33:52.366
 word a lot of times.
 
 00:33:52.426 --> 00:33:53.807
 It has some sort of weird connotation.
 
 00:33:54.548 --> 00:33:55.829
 Can you just look at it all
 
 00:33:55.890 --> 00:33:57.290
 as collective consciousness
 
 00:33:57.691 --> 00:33:58.692
 aspects of the self?
 
 00:33:58.852 --> 00:33:59.412
 Can you look at it?
 
 00:33:59.673 --> 00:34:00.113
 If you be,
 
 00:34:00.272 --> 00:34:01.653
 and it's hard when you only
 
 00:34:01.713 --> 00:34:02.815
 identified as who you are
 
 00:34:02.855 --> 00:34:04.036
 in this lifetime, what your name is,
 
 00:34:04.056 --> 00:34:05.717
 what your job is, your gender, you know,
 
 00:34:05.737 --> 00:34:06.477
 that kind of thing.
 
 00:34:06.856 --> 00:34:08.097
 But I think throughout my
 
 00:34:08.157 --> 00:34:09.818
 journey in expanding consciousness and,
 
 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:10.039
 and,
 
 00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:11.501
 and connecting with other people who
 
 00:34:11.541 --> 00:34:13.882
 are really in that space too, we,
 
 00:34:14.021 --> 00:34:14.742
 we start to see things
 
 00:34:15.003 --> 00:34:17.204
 beyond linear passion patterns,
 
 00:34:17.324 --> 00:34:18.304
 linear linearity.
 
 00:34:18.344 --> 00:34:19.865
 It's linear.
 
 00:34:20.085 --> 00:34:20.827
 Can you say that word for me?
 
 00:34:21.331 --> 00:34:22.731
 linear linearity.
 
 00:34:22.791 --> 00:34:22.992
 Yeah.
 
 00:34:23.311 --> 00:34:24.652
 Can we, we move beyond that?
 
 00:34:24.672 --> 00:34:25.833
 And I think it's more so
 
 00:34:26.193 --> 00:34:27.835
 these are expressions of consciousness.
 
 00:34:28.034 --> 00:34:28.215
 You know,
 
 00:34:28.235 --> 00:34:29.396
 you have angelic beings and you
 
 00:34:29.416 --> 00:34:30.076
 have beings that aren't,
 
 00:34:30.115 --> 00:34:31.958
 but there's always a power of choice.
 
 00:34:32.018 --> 00:34:32.197
 There's,
 
 00:34:32.498 --> 00:34:33.679
 I think the fear comes where we
 
 00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:34.719
 think maybe I don't have a
 
 00:34:34.778 --> 00:34:35.480
 choice or maybe they're
 
 00:34:35.500 --> 00:34:36.920
 going to take over my body or whatever.
 
 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.561
 And I think that it is this
 
 00:34:38.621 --> 00:34:41.202
 matter of giving you a potential to say,
 
 00:34:41.302 --> 00:34:42.344
 I'm not going to choose that.
 
 00:34:42.603 --> 00:34:42.943
 No.
 
 00:34:43.485 --> 00:34:44.704
 And I do see that those
 
 00:34:44.724 --> 00:34:46.646
 types of things tend to, like you said,
 
 00:34:47.387 --> 00:34:48.927
 manifest or create
 
 00:34:48.947 --> 00:34:49.829
 themselves to be known
 
 00:34:49.909 --> 00:34:51.811
 around negative energy, around sadness,
 
 00:34:51.851 --> 00:34:53.532
 around fear, around sorrow, despair.
 
 00:34:54.333 --> 00:34:55.614
 And I think that's why we do
 
 00:34:55.653 --> 00:34:57.135
 have sometimes crossover
 
 00:34:57.155 --> 00:34:57.914
 between mental health
 
 00:34:57.954 --> 00:34:59.476
 issues and influence from
 
 00:34:59.677 --> 00:35:00.657
 the energies around us.
 
 00:35:00.878 --> 00:35:01.737
 But we're also making a
 
 00:35:01.757 --> 00:35:02.798
 choice to call those in or
 
 00:35:02.838 --> 00:35:04.300
 allow those things to be in our space.
 
 00:35:04.681 --> 00:35:05.681
 Fear is food.
 
 00:35:06.021 --> 00:35:06.902
 So like that's why when we
 
 00:35:06.942 --> 00:35:07.802
 always teach people when
 
 00:35:07.822 --> 00:35:08.483
 you're working with
 
 00:35:08.523 --> 00:35:09.423
 spiritual energy or you
 
 00:35:09.443 --> 00:35:10.485
 have things in your space,
 
 00:35:11.246 --> 00:35:12.226
 if you're afraid of it,
 
 00:35:12.246 --> 00:35:13.286
 you're causing more
 
 00:35:14.237 --> 00:35:15.538
 food or more a magnetic
 
 00:35:15.577 --> 00:35:16.659
 attraction or allowing it
 
 00:35:16.699 --> 00:35:18.699
 to be in that space vibrationally.
 
 00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:20.280
 So I, I think that just,
 
 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:22.159
 I like that you're, you know,
 
 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:23.161
 differentiating ghosts
 
 00:35:23.181 --> 00:35:24.121
 between these shadow people,
 
 00:35:24.161 --> 00:35:25.721
 because I think that that's like,
 
 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:26.161
 first of all,
 
 00:35:26.181 --> 00:35:27.181
 people out there listening would be like,
 
 00:35:27.202 --> 00:35:27.742
 I never heard of that.
 
 00:35:27.802 --> 00:35:28.862
 Oh my God, that's so scary.
 
 00:35:29.202 --> 00:35:31.342
 You know, like, no, it, it's just,
 
 00:35:31.722 --> 00:35:34.184
 it's just another aspect of creation.
 
 00:35:34.244 --> 00:35:35.724
 It's another aspect of life.
 
 00:35:36.103 --> 00:35:37.644
 So if you can look at it like that, as,
 
 00:35:37.965 --> 00:35:39.244
 as part of the collective
 
 00:35:39.505 --> 00:35:41.166
 consciousness or unconsciousness,
 
 00:35:42.275 --> 00:35:43.677
 Whether it's not actually an entity,
 
 00:35:43.717 --> 00:35:44.697
 maybe it's a projection of
 
 00:35:44.737 --> 00:35:46.277
 the self or the collective self,
 
 00:35:46.637 --> 00:35:48.219
 because that's also another
 
 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:49.360
 thing I've noticed with people.
 
 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.661
 They have extensions of themselves,
 
 00:35:52.762 --> 00:35:53.521
 personalities,
 
 00:35:53.842 --> 00:35:54.643
 parts of themselves that
 
 00:35:54.663 --> 00:35:55.463
 kind of hang around.
 
 00:35:55.742 --> 00:35:57.264
 Their negative self, their inner teenager,
 
 00:35:57.304 --> 00:35:58.864
 these different selves that
 
 00:35:58.885 --> 00:35:59.445
 you could say are
 
 00:35:59.485 --> 00:36:01.326
 personified in an energetic form.
 
 00:36:01.666 --> 00:36:03.327
 So why not with the collective,
 
 00:36:03.387 --> 00:36:04.047
 us as humans,
 
 00:36:04.407 --> 00:36:05.429
 all the things that we get
 
 00:36:05.509 --> 00:36:06.309
 totally raged for,
 
 00:36:06.349 --> 00:36:07.489
 the primal side of ourselves,
 
 00:36:07.530 --> 00:36:09.630
 the part of us that could kill,
 
 00:36:10.070 --> 00:36:11.351
 these parts of ourselves
 
 00:36:11.831 --> 00:36:12.693
 What if those things are just,
 
 00:36:12.713 --> 00:36:13.693
 there's no place for it to
 
 00:36:13.733 --> 00:36:15.994
 be in inside of us consciously.
 
 00:36:16.375 --> 00:36:17.076
 Cause I think a lot of us
 
 00:36:17.096 --> 00:36:18.175
 don't have the ability to say,
 
 00:36:18.896 --> 00:36:19.697
 if you would have those
 
 00:36:19.737 --> 00:36:21.498
 dark thoughts or emotions
 
 00:36:21.518 --> 00:36:22.438
 to be able to be present
 
 00:36:22.478 --> 00:36:23.018
 with them and say,
 
 00:36:23.059 --> 00:36:24.519
 that's not actually who I am,
 
 00:36:24.900 --> 00:36:26.422
 but that's an aspect of the collective.
 
 00:36:26.762 --> 00:36:28.063
 I think these things need a
 
 00:36:28.103 --> 00:36:28.963
 place to play out and
 
 00:36:29.003 --> 00:36:30.925
 express themselves as a
 
 00:36:30.965 --> 00:36:32.985
 part of the collective spectrum of,
 
 00:36:33.286 --> 00:36:35.007
 light dark good bad if we
 
 00:36:35.027 --> 00:36:35.927
 want to label it that I
 
 00:36:35.947 --> 00:36:37.047
 don't think we should but
 
 00:36:37.067 --> 00:36:38.447
 but that's what we do so I
 
 00:36:38.487 --> 00:36:39.668
 hope that makes sense I
 
 00:36:39.688 --> 00:36:40.367
 hope I didn't go off on too
 
 00:36:40.387 --> 00:36:41.867
 much on a tangent there but
 
 00:36:41.967 --> 00:36:42.688
 I just feel passionate
 
 00:36:42.708 --> 00:36:44.228
 about the differentiating
 
 00:36:44.268 --> 00:36:46.608
 there and you know I'll
 
 00:36:46.648 --> 00:36:47.409
 reflect back on my own
 
 00:36:47.449 --> 00:36:48.889
 story even as a child I
 
 00:36:48.909 --> 00:36:51.010
 knew to say no I knew to
 
 00:36:51.030 --> 00:36:52.291
 say no to that shadow
 
 00:36:52.331 --> 00:36:53.990
 person and I would do the
 
 00:36:54.010 --> 00:36:56.152
 same thing today and I feel
 
 00:36:56.192 --> 00:36:56.972
 as though I could very
 
 00:36:57.032 --> 00:36:58.271
 calmly walk away from that
 
 00:36:58.311 --> 00:37:00.213
 kind of an interaction yeah
 
 00:37:00.742 --> 00:37:00.983
 So,
 
 00:37:01.242 --> 00:37:04.103
 but I have encountered many other kinds
 
 00:37:04.344 --> 00:37:07.826
 of energy of spirits and I
 
 00:37:08.005 --> 00:37:09.425
 don't find them scary.
 
 00:37:09.606 --> 00:37:11.047
 Most of the time I feel
 
 00:37:11.086 --> 00:37:12.306
 their sadness and loss.
 
 00:37:13.246 --> 00:37:16.728
 And I feel like fear is such
 
 00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:18.608
 a staticky emotion.
 
 00:37:19.750 --> 00:37:20.789
 When it's active,
 
 00:37:20.969 --> 00:37:22.570
 you don't perceive what's
 
 00:37:22.670 --> 00:37:23.550
 actually going on.
 
 00:37:23.731 --> 00:37:25.152
 You throw a veil over it of
 
 00:37:25.211 --> 00:37:28.733
 fear and you tend to see the worst.
 
 00:37:29.998 --> 00:37:30.978
 Or imagine the worst.
 
 00:37:31.621 --> 00:37:33.003
 And a lot of times when
 
 00:37:33.043 --> 00:37:34.164
 you're dealing with
 
 00:37:34.204 --> 00:37:35.927
 something like the energy of a ghost,
 
 00:37:36.528 --> 00:37:38.972
 it is not actually bad.
 
 00:37:39.507 --> 00:37:40.887
 It is simply a lost soul
 
 00:37:40.907 --> 00:37:42.148
 that wants to be heard or
 
 00:37:42.168 --> 00:37:44.469
 wants to be understood, or, um,
 
 00:37:44.768 --> 00:37:46.630
 literally is just lost and
 
 00:37:46.869 --> 00:37:48.550
 it's just as scared as you.
 
 00:37:49.170 --> 00:37:51.530
 So it, it kind of brings,
 
 00:37:51.871 --> 00:37:53.751
 as I've learned that over the years,
 
 00:37:54.371 --> 00:37:55.831
 I have a lot more
 
 00:37:55.871 --> 00:37:59.733
 compassion and a lot more discernment, um,
 
 00:37:59.753 --> 00:38:00.592
 for trusting, like,
 
 00:38:00.632 --> 00:38:02.173
 what do I feel when I walk into a space?
 
 00:38:02.773 --> 00:38:02.994
 You know,
 
 00:38:03.014 --> 00:38:03.974
 like when I was describing the
 
 00:38:03.994 --> 00:38:04.793
 ghost of bound books,
 
 00:38:04.873 --> 00:38:06.474
 it wasn't scary at all.
 
 00:38:06.695 --> 00:38:07.215
 It was sad.
 
 00:38:08.331 --> 00:38:09.713
 It was a lost soul,
 
 00:38:09.813 --> 00:38:11.356
 like clinging on to a space
 
 00:38:11.376 --> 00:38:12.536
 where it had been and
 
 00:38:12.597 --> 00:38:13.938
 looking for a place to belong.
 
 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.681
 And I would love for that
 
 00:38:16.722 --> 00:38:17.842
 soul to find peace,
 
 00:38:18.423 --> 00:38:18.983
 whether it's in the
 
 00:38:19.023 --> 00:38:20.885
 bookstore or elsewhere in the building,
 
 00:38:21.005 --> 00:38:21.447
 whatever.
 
 00:38:22.889 --> 00:38:24.389
 I wish that he would feel
 
 00:38:24.510 --> 00:38:25.891
 safe for the first time.
 
 00:38:26.501 --> 00:38:26.782
 Yeah,
 
 00:38:27.443 --> 00:38:29.025
 it's so beautiful to have that compassion,
 
 00:38:29.045 --> 00:38:29.664
 Risa.
 
 00:38:29.764 --> 00:38:30.706
 I think that's a beautiful
 
 00:38:30.766 --> 00:38:31.646
 perspective that it would
 
 00:38:31.666 --> 00:38:32.907
 be really beautiful if all
 
 00:38:32.947 --> 00:38:34.210
 of humanity could adopt that,
 
 00:38:34.489 --> 00:38:35.510
 not only for each other,
 
 00:38:35.931 --> 00:38:37.313
 like just to really realize
 
 00:38:37.333 --> 00:38:38.233
 that we're all human and we
 
 00:38:38.273 --> 00:38:39.514
 all have things that we go through.
 
 00:38:39.795 --> 00:38:40.715
 And then also to apply that
 
 00:38:40.755 --> 00:38:41.757
 to the spirit world so we
 
 00:38:41.797 --> 00:38:43.938
 can have less fear around them as well.
 
 00:38:44.619 --> 00:38:45.960
 So I'd love to hear a little
 
 00:38:46.001 --> 00:38:47.501
 bit more about maybe a
 
 00:38:47.581 --> 00:38:49.143
 meaningful encounter or a
 
 00:38:49.282 --> 00:38:50.784
 story where a ghost has
 
 00:38:50.824 --> 00:38:52.204
 moved on after being
 
 00:38:52.244 --> 00:38:54.266
 misunderstood or accepted.
 
 00:38:54.565 --> 00:38:55.706
 And I want to know more
 
 00:38:55.726 --> 00:38:56.666
 about that experience and
 
 00:38:56.847 --> 00:38:58.128
 how that release was for
 
 00:38:58.387 --> 00:39:00.190
 the process for your journey.
 
 00:39:00.210 --> 00:39:01.789
 I think one of the more
 
 00:39:01.809 --> 00:39:03.972
 meaningful releases was
 
 00:39:05.693 --> 00:39:06.833
 this was a ghost of a man
 
 00:39:07.094 --> 00:39:08.213
 who was in a building that
 
 00:39:08.253 --> 00:39:08.994
 he had lived in.
 
 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.422
 And he was not the nicest guy.
 
 00:39:12.543 --> 00:39:16.485
 He was what we might call a sexist, right?
 
 00:39:16.585 --> 00:39:17.246
 Misogynist.
 
 00:39:17.525 --> 00:39:19.706
 And the women who lived in
 
 00:39:19.726 --> 00:39:21.268
 the building were not super
 
 00:39:21.307 --> 00:39:22.068
 thrilled because he would
 
 00:39:22.088 --> 00:39:22.949
 show up in the bathroom
 
 00:39:22.989 --> 00:39:26.170
 mirror or like at the end of their bed,
 
 00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:27.452
 places where quite honestly,
 
 00:39:27.492 --> 00:39:28.472
 he didn't belong.
 
 00:39:29.472 --> 00:39:31.932
 And when I was called into the space,
 
 00:39:32.534 --> 00:39:33.713
 it didn't take long to
 
 00:39:33.733 --> 00:39:35.074
 figure out who he was and
 
 00:39:35.094 --> 00:39:36.675
 that he had lived in the building.
 
 00:39:37.096 --> 00:39:37.777
 And even better,
 
 00:39:38.097 --> 00:39:39.137
 they still had historic
 
 00:39:39.257 --> 00:39:40.838
 items in there that had been his.
 
 00:39:41.878 --> 00:39:43.059
 Chairs, things like that.
 
 00:39:43.099 --> 00:39:44.420
 They were old and beautiful,
 
 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:45.820
 like beautiful antiques.
 
 00:39:46.240 --> 00:39:47.302
 Maybe some had been reupholstered,
 
 00:39:47.322 --> 00:39:48.141
 but they were still there
 
 00:39:48.523 --> 00:39:50.023
 and they were still holding onto him.
 
 00:39:50.724 --> 00:39:52.324
 And they gave him a, how do I say,
 
 00:39:52.405 --> 00:39:54.365
 a key into the place.
 
 00:39:55.306 --> 00:39:57.648
 And through the interactions with him,
 
 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:00.181
 It was kind of determined
 
 00:40:00.201 --> 00:40:03.041
 that he felt like he didn't
 
 00:40:03.061 --> 00:40:03.902
 want to necessarily cross
 
 00:40:03.963 --> 00:40:05.423
 over and move on because he
 
 00:40:05.443 --> 00:40:06.784
 was afraid to run into his mother again.
 
 00:40:07.565 --> 00:40:08.925
 And we got to work with a
 
 00:40:08.945 --> 00:40:10.025
 medium on this as well.
 
 00:40:11.766 --> 00:40:12.768
 The medium was kind of like, well,
 
 00:40:12.788 --> 00:40:13.788
 your mother doesn't
 
 00:40:13.827 --> 00:40:14.367
 understand what you're
 
 00:40:14.409 --> 00:40:15.528
 doing here with these ladies.
 
 00:40:15.728 --> 00:40:17.389
 She's like, you need to leave them alone.
 
 00:40:17.690 --> 00:40:19.411
 You need to come through and
 
 00:40:19.550 --> 00:40:20.271
 leave your home.
 
 00:40:20.612 --> 00:40:21.952
 Like he'd had a lot of pride
 
 00:40:21.992 --> 00:40:22.952
 in this particular house.
 
 00:40:22.992 --> 00:40:24.213
 He'd worked very hard to earn it.
 
 00:40:24.954 --> 00:40:27.054
 But the girls there, the roommates,
 
 00:40:27.135 --> 00:40:28.235
 they were just not thrilled
 
 00:40:28.396 --> 00:40:30.836
 to have him being a peeping Tom ghost,
 
 00:40:30.936 --> 00:40:31.436
 basically.
 
 00:40:31.898 --> 00:40:33.277
 I don't want to terrify your listeners,
 
 00:40:33.318 --> 00:40:33.739
 by the way.
 
 00:40:33.798 --> 00:40:35.579
 This is not a usual situation.
 
 00:40:36.019 --> 00:40:38.820
 This is very unusual, very strange.
 
 00:40:39.481 --> 00:40:42.282
 And finally,
 
 00:40:42.342 --> 00:40:43.922
 the medium convinced him to
 
 00:40:43.963 --> 00:40:45.603
 just try to walk towards his mother,
 
 00:40:46.025 --> 00:40:47.105
 to try to just walk towards
 
 00:40:47.144 --> 00:40:49.425
 her and accept that she was
 
 00:40:49.465 --> 00:40:52.907
 ready to receive him with grace.
 
 00:40:53.731 --> 00:40:55.494
 And you could almost feel
 
 00:40:55.514 --> 00:40:57.876
 the air change in the room immediately.
 
 00:40:58.777 --> 00:41:00.199
 It was kind of like, oh, he's gone.
 
 00:41:01.461 --> 00:41:02.302
 And I have checked it
 
 00:41:02.322 --> 00:41:03.244
 several times with the women.
 
 00:41:03.284 --> 00:41:04.846
 They're like, it feels totally different.
 
 00:41:04.885 --> 00:41:06.146
 Their animals are happier.
 
 00:41:06.226 --> 00:41:07.608
 Their plants are growing better.
 
 00:41:08.449 --> 00:41:09.731
 They did sell off the
 
 00:41:09.751 --> 00:41:10.873
 furniture that was his.
 
 00:41:11.393 --> 00:41:12.195
 But that said...
 
 00:41:13.387 --> 00:41:15.367
 Um, he's completely gone from the space.
 
 00:41:15.487 --> 00:41:16.728
 You know, I did suggest to them, like,
 
 00:41:16.748 --> 00:41:17.708
 you might want to, uh,
 
 00:41:17.769 --> 00:41:19.751
 smoke cleanse or get some essential oils,
 
 00:41:20.110 --> 00:41:20.811
 just some other things to
 
 00:41:20.851 --> 00:41:22.492
 kind of clear out his
 
 00:41:22.592 --> 00:41:24.373
 energy and market as your own.
 
 00:41:25.114 --> 00:41:25.994
 And, um,
 
 00:41:26.014 --> 00:41:28.456
 they did do all of those things and, uh,
 
 00:41:28.496 --> 00:41:29.695
 you could literally feel
 
 00:41:29.715 --> 00:41:31.556
 the change though, when it happened,
 
 00:41:32.257 --> 00:41:33.759
 it like the peace that came
 
 00:41:33.818 --> 00:41:35.679
 over everyone in the room, it was like,
 
 00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:36.599
 you could suddenly be like, Oh,
 
 00:41:39.706 --> 00:41:40.927
 The tension that existed
 
 00:41:40.987 --> 00:41:41.867
 immediately when you walked
 
 00:41:41.907 --> 00:41:43.028
 in the door wasn't there.
 
 00:41:43.489 --> 00:41:44.010
 It was just gone.
 
 00:41:44.030 --> 00:41:44.110
 Yeah.
 
 00:41:44.130 --> 00:41:46.853
 I think those are things
 
 00:41:46.893 --> 00:41:49.155
 that are so subtle that if
 
 00:41:49.175 --> 00:41:50.217
 we're not connected deeply
 
 00:41:50.237 --> 00:41:51.639
 within ourselves,
 
 00:41:51.778 --> 00:41:52.960
 it's really hard to have a
 
 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:54.481
 connection and really
 
 00:41:54.742 --> 00:41:56.204
 sensing what's going on around us.
 
 00:41:56.744 --> 00:41:57.724
 That is the entryway to
 
 00:41:57.824 --> 00:41:59.925
 understanding and sensing that stuff.
 
 00:42:00.304 --> 00:42:01.606
 But I think it's fabulous
 
 00:42:01.646 --> 00:42:03.065
 because it doesn't apply
 
 00:42:03.126 --> 00:42:04.547
 just to the spirit world,
 
 00:42:04.606 --> 00:42:06.186
 to the energy shifting in a home,
 
 00:42:06.226 --> 00:42:07.827
 but it applies in your body,
 
 00:42:07.867 --> 00:42:08.967
 what you're putting in your body,
 
 00:42:09.007 --> 00:42:09.547
 the thoughts,
 
 00:42:09.568 --> 00:42:10.648
 what you're putting in your space,
 
 00:42:10.668 --> 00:42:12.208
 where you purchase things, you know,
 
 00:42:12.329 --> 00:42:13.710
 if you're setting it as your own,
 
 00:42:13.750 --> 00:42:14.329
 like you said.
 
 00:42:14.769 --> 00:42:15.530
 So that's like a whole
 
 00:42:15.550 --> 00:42:16.291
 nother episode we could
 
 00:42:16.311 --> 00:42:17.411
 talk about space clearing.
 
 00:42:17.490 --> 00:42:18.931
 I know you also love and are
 
 00:42:18.972 --> 00:42:19.851
 passionate about that.
 
 00:42:20.682 --> 00:42:22.164
 But I love to hear these
 
 00:42:22.224 --> 00:42:24.364
 stories of spirits being able to move on.
 
 00:42:24.423 --> 00:42:25.005
 And then of course,
 
 00:42:25.025 --> 00:42:26.525
 the living and the past are
 
 00:42:27.306 --> 00:42:29.907
 having reconciliation for all that.
 
 00:42:29.947 --> 00:42:31.646
 So I know that our listeners
 
 00:42:32.047 --> 00:42:34.307
 out there are local and international.
 
 00:42:34.427 --> 00:42:35.849
 So do you have any ghost
 
 00:42:35.869 --> 00:42:37.489
 story just from our region?
 
 00:42:38.309 --> 00:42:40.289
 Or maybe somewhere in the diversity?
 
 00:42:40.391 --> 00:42:42.150
 Yeah, in the paranormal experiences?
 
 00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:43.711
 I'd love to hear a little bit about that.
 
 00:42:44.521 --> 00:42:45.202
 Let's see.
 
 00:42:46.043 --> 00:42:48.123
 I'll start with one from Florida.
 
 00:42:48.563 --> 00:42:51.565
 And this is in a very fancy
 
 00:42:51.605 --> 00:42:53.186
 hotel called the Don Cesar.
 
 00:42:53.505 --> 00:42:55.226
 And I have a friend who stayed there.
 
 00:42:55.407 --> 00:42:56.706
 I know where that is.
 
 00:42:56.726 --> 00:42:58.387
 Yes, it's called the Pink Palace.
 
 00:42:59.027 --> 00:43:01.389
 And obviously I don't have visuals here,
 
 00:43:01.710 --> 00:43:04.030
 but it is a breathtaking building.
 
 00:43:04.351 --> 00:43:06.192
 And it was built to honor a
 
 00:43:06.251 --> 00:43:07.572
 woman named Lucinda.
 
 00:43:08.273 --> 00:43:11.114
 So there was a man, Mr. Rao,
 
 00:43:11.313 --> 00:43:12.815
 and he grew up and went to
 
 00:43:12.835 --> 00:43:13.434
 school in London.
 
 00:43:13.914 --> 00:43:14.614
 so he's originally from the
 
 00:43:14.635 --> 00:43:15.396
 united states and he was
 
 00:43:15.496 --> 00:43:16.617
 educated in london and he
 
 00:43:16.677 --> 00:43:18.597
 fell wildly in love with an
 
 00:43:18.737 --> 00:43:20.257
 opera singer named lucinda
 
 00:43:20.978 --> 00:43:23.239
 and uh they met by this
 
 00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:24.581
 fountain night after night
 
 00:43:24.681 --> 00:43:26.762
 the lovers and he's like at
 
 00:43:26.802 --> 00:43:28.603
 the end of the show marry
 
 00:43:28.643 --> 00:43:29.963
 me and we'll be together
 
 00:43:30.724 --> 00:43:32.664
 well he wasn't yet who he
 
 00:43:32.704 --> 00:43:34.766
 was going to become and he
 
 00:43:34.806 --> 00:43:35.766
 wasn't a rich fabulous
 
 00:43:35.806 --> 00:43:37.547
 hotel owner yet and her
 
 00:43:37.588 --> 00:43:39.007
 parents were like uh no
 
 00:43:39.047 --> 00:43:40.009
 you're coming back to italy
 
 00:43:40.048 --> 00:43:41.829
 with us and this guy is out the door
 
 00:43:42.668 --> 00:43:44.289
 so uh right after the last
 
 00:43:44.309 --> 00:43:46.170
 show before he could get
 
 00:43:46.231 --> 00:43:47.510
 her and they could elope
 
 00:43:48.152 --> 00:43:49.112
 her parents swept her way
 
 00:43:49.152 --> 00:43:51.753
 back to italy and sadly he
 
 00:43:51.793 --> 00:43:53.996
 never saw her again so his
 
 00:43:54.036 --> 00:43:55.356
 heart was absolutely broken
 
 00:43:55.396 --> 00:43:56.757
 he did try to marry later
 
 00:43:56.777 --> 00:43:57.878
 it ended up very quickly in
 
 00:43:57.898 --> 00:44:00.000
 a divorce and he could just
 
 00:44:00.139 --> 00:44:02.101
 never forget her um
 
 00:44:03.146 --> 00:44:03.847
 Years later,
 
 00:44:04.226 --> 00:44:05.608
 he received a letter from her
 
 00:44:05.688 --> 00:44:06.688
 parents saying that she
 
 00:44:06.809 --> 00:44:08.050
 also never forgot him.
 
 00:44:08.809 --> 00:44:09.791
 But tragically,
 
 00:44:09.831 --> 00:44:10.891
 she had died of an illness
 
 00:44:11.693 --> 00:44:13.614
 and he wanted to make a
 
 00:44:13.693 --> 00:44:15.155
 place where when he died,
 
 00:44:15.514 --> 00:44:16.916
 they would be together forever.
 
 00:44:17.396 --> 00:44:19.277
 So he built the Don Cesar Hotel,
 
 00:44:19.318 --> 00:44:20.039
 the Pink Palace.
 
 00:44:22.648 --> 00:44:23.588
 Right.
 
 00:44:23.608 --> 00:44:26.809
 A tribute to a woman is this big,
 
 00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:28.610
 beautiful hotel.
 
 00:44:28.670 --> 00:44:30.090
 It opened in nineteen twenty eight.
 
 00:44:30.130 --> 00:44:31.490
 His Thomas Rowell was his
 
 00:44:31.530 --> 00:44:34.791
 name and he recreated the fountain.
 
 00:44:35.351 --> 00:44:36.893
 He recreated the fountain in
 
 00:44:37.032 --> 00:44:39.134
 the Don Cesar so that they
 
 00:44:39.193 --> 00:44:40.094
 could stay together.
 
 00:44:40.554 --> 00:44:42.675
 And people from in the past
 
 00:44:42.715 --> 00:44:44.255
 hundred years or so have
 
 00:44:44.295 --> 00:44:45.655
 reported this hotel is
 
 00:44:45.675 --> 00:44:47.335
 still there for your listeners.
 
 00:44:47.376 --> 00:44:48.356
 You can vacation there.
 
 00:44:48.416 --> 00:44:48.956
 If you're in Florida,
 
 00:44:48.976 --> 00:44:49.757
 you could go there right now.
 
 00:44:51.568 --> 00:44:52.048
 It's in St.
 
 00:44:52.070 --> 00:44:52.630
 Pete's Beach.
 
 00:44:54.295 --> 00:44:56.179
 You still see the two of them there.
 
 00:44:56.721 --> 00:44:59.126
 Surely her ghost appeared as
 
 00:44:59.166 --> 00:45:00.510
 soon as the fountain was done.
 
 00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:03.141
 And people for decades have
 
 00:45:03.181 --> 00:45:04.641
 reported seeing her walk around.
 
 00:45:05.442 --> 00:45:07.322
 She has got very long, dark hair.
 
 00:45:07.443 --> 00:45:08.523
 They say she's quite beautiful.
 
 00:45:09.224 --> 00:45:11.523
 And then upon his passing,
 
 00:45:11.543 --> 00:45:12.605
 when Thomas Ryle died,
 
 00:45:13.045 --> 00:45:13.945
 they started to see his
 
 00:45:13.985 --> 00:45:15.005
 ghost there as well.
 
 00:45:15.545 --> 00:45:17.306
 But they say they're not the only ones.
 
 00:45:18.206 --> 00:45:19.447
 F. Scott Fitzgerald and
 
 00:45:19.487 --> 00:45:20.447
 Zelda have been seen
 
 00:45:20.487 --> 00:45:22.068
 dancing in the ballroom.
 
 00:45:22.128 --> 00:45:23.708
 They did indeed visit this place.
 
 00:45:24.668 --> 00:45:25.688
 It was also used during
 
 00:45:25.748 --> 00:45:27.588
 World War II as an army hospital.
 
 00:45:27.728 --> 00:45:28.329
 And there have been
 
 00:45:28.389 --> 00:45:29.570
 soldiers' ghosts there as well.
 
 00:45:30.208 --> 00:45:32.188
 So the place itself, the Dusty's Art Hotel,
 
 00:45:32.469 --> 00:45:33.568
 it now has like a day spa
 
 00:45:33.668 --> 00:45:34.989
 and all the fancy stuff
 
 00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:36.510
 that you would want from a
 
 00:45:36.570 --> 00:45:37.371
 high-end hotel.
 
 00:45:37.650 --> 00:45:39.010
 But it is still a pink palace.
 
 00:45:39.110 --> 00:45:40.192
 It does look like it belongs
 
 00:45:40.231 --> 00:45:40.992
 in the Barbie movie.
 
 00:45:41.512 --> 00:45:43.952
 And the ghosts there are
 
 00:45:44.193 --> 00:45:46.153
 definitely part of the landscape.
 
 00:45:46.193 --> 00:45:48.054
 They're kind of embraced by the hotel.
 
 00:45:48.695 --> 00:45:49.775
 I guess maybe because Thomas
 
 00:45:49.815 --> 00:45:50.896
 Ryle and Lucinda are the
 
 00:45:50.936 --> 00:45:51.876
 reason it exists.
 
 00:45:52.699 --> 00:45:53.219
 Oh, my gosh.
 
 00:45:53.338 --> 00:45:54.380
 I love that story.
 
 00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:56.300
 I cannot wait to tell my mom that story.
 
 00:45:56.740 --> 00:45:57.740
 Reddington Beach, St.
 
 00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:59.402
 Pete's Beach is where we always go.
 
 00:45:59.461 --> 00:46:00.262
 That's like our... Oh,
 
 00:46:00.382 --> 00:46:01.943
 so you've been there.
 
 00:46:01.983 --> 00:46:02.724
 That's amazing.
 
 00:46:02.744 --> 00:46:03.204
 Oh, yeah.
 
 00:46:03.244 --> 00:46:03.384
 Yeah.
 
 00:46:03.563 --> 00:46:04.605
 And so I knew exactly what
 
 00:46:04.625 --> 00:46:05.764
 you were talking about when
 
 00:46:05.804 --> 00:46:06.706
 you said that.
 
 00:46:06.726 --> 00:46:08.666
 That's really cool.
 
 00:46:08.907 --> 00:46:09.947
 So I have another... I could
 
 00:46:09.967 --> 00:46:11.407
 do another local love story.
 
 00:46:11.467 --> 00:46:12.869
 And this one is not as happy.
 
 00:46:13.628 --> 00:46:14.610
 Here in your county,
 
 00:46:14.710 --> 00:46:15.989
 towards the Susquehanna River,
 
 00:46:16.070 --> 00:46:17.391
 which is like a hotbed for
 
 00:46:17.431 --> 00:46:18.411
 paranormal activity,
 
 00:46:19.512 --> 00:46:21.092
 there is a place called the Acamecan.
 
 00:46:21.976 --> 00:46:24.199
 And it has a fantastic history.
 
 00:46:24.278 --> 00:46:26.101
 It was part of the ferry system.
 
 00:46:27.202 --> 00:46:29.123
 When all the different wars have come,
 
 00:46:29.403 --> 00:46:30.525
 like Marquis de Lafayette
 
 00:46:30.545 --> 00:46:31.106
 came through there.
 
 00:46:31.126 --> 00:46:32.166
 The first steamboat in
 
 00:46:32.226 --> 00:46:33.268
 America was launched from
 
 00:46:33.288 --> 00:46:34.548
 the Acomac Inns Wharf.
 
 00:46:35.110 --> 00:46:36.992
 It's got a great chunk of
 
 00:46:37.132 --> 00:46:38.632
 history and Americana to it.
 
 00:46:39.333 --> 00:46:41.255
 So there was a family there
 
 00:46:41.835 --> 00:46:43.438
 and the Coyle family.
 
 00:46:43.867 --> 00:46:45.809
 They had a son named Johnny, John Jr.
 
 00:46:46.389 --> 00:46:47.690
 Johnny was a great riverman,
 
 00:46:47.990 --> 00:46:50.311
 but he was not a super great guy.
 
 00:46:51.211 --> 00:46:53.074
 They say he had a really bad temper.
 
 00:46:53.134 --> 00:46:54.554
 He would fly off the handle
 
 00:46:54.574 --> 00:46:55.534
 at a moment's notice.
 
 00:46:56.835 --> 00:46:58.476
 But he also was the heir to
 
 00:46:58.496 --> 00:46:59.577
 the Ackermack Inn and a
 
 00:46:59.617 --> 00:47:00.918
 great riverman and quite a
 
 00:47:00.958 --> 00:47:02.759
 catch if you were a woman
 
 00:47:02.798 --> 00:47:03.739
 back in this time.
 
 00:47:04.581 --> 00:47:06.461
 But Emily didn't think so.
 
 00:47:06.961 --> 00:47:08.242
 She knew Johnny very well.
 
 00:47:08.643 --> 00:47:10.704
 She was an orphan who worked
 
 00:47:10.744 --> 00:47:11.704
 at the Ackermack Inn.
 
 00:47:12.085 --> 00:47:13.525
 Now, if you think back for a moment,
 
 00:47:14.454 --> 00:47:15.695
 into this time period,
 
 00:47:16.637 --> 00:47:18.177
 we're looking at like late
 
 00:47:18.217 --> 00:47:18.938
 eighteen hundreds.
 
 00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.181
 It would have been amazing
 
 00:47:22.221 --> 00:47:22.882
 for a woman who was an
 
 00:47:22.981 --> 00:47:24.443
 orphan to marry this man
 
 00:47:25.182 --> 00:47:27.164
 because she would not have had a dowry.
 
 00:47:27.324 --> 00:47:27.945
 She would not have had
 
 00:47:28.045 --> 00:47:29.346
 parents to give her husband.
 
 00:47:29.847 --> 00:47:31.047
 That was all required
 
 00:47:31.088 --> 00:47:33.349
 historically for a woman to get married.
 
 00:47:34.670 --> 00:47:36.512
 That said, Johnny wanted to marry her.
 
 00:47:36.612 --> 00:47:37.672
 He asked her over and over
 
 00:47:37.733 --> 00:47:38.914
 and she always said no
 
 00:47:39.534 --> 00:47:41.815
 because he had this really bad temper.
 
 00:47:43.072 --> 00:47:43.231
 Well,
 
 00:47:43.311 --> 00:47:45.074
 one day he asked her and she said no
 
 00:47:45.134 --> 00:47:45.393
 again.
 
 00:47:46.215 --> 00:47:49.378
 And he decided that if he
 
 00:47:49.398 --> 00:47:50.559
 couldn't have her, nobody else would.
 
 00:47:51.398 --> 00:47:52.179
 So he walked out to the barn
 
 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:52.721
 and he shot her.
 
 00:47:53.521 --> 00:47:54.762
 And then he turned the gun on himself,
 
 00:47:55.023 --> 00:47:55.802
 but he didn't die.
 
 00:47:56.583 --> 00:47:57.684
 He was wounded and he ran
 
 00:47:57.724 --> 00:47:58.465
 off into the woods.
 
 00:47:58.485 --> 00:47:59.626
 He was found a few days later.
 
 00:47:59.666 --> 00:48:00.427
 They nursed him back to
 
 00:48:00.447 --> 00:48:01.708
 health and charged him with murder.
 
 00:48:02.449 --> 00:48:03.510
 His parents had so much
 
 00:48:03.590 --> 00:48:06.072
 influence that they got the
 
 00:48:06.211 --> 00:48:07.614
 trial moved to Adams County.
 
 00:48:08.755 --> 00:48:10.255
 But he was still accused of
 
 00:48:10.733 --> 00:48:11.494
 first degree murder,
 
 00:48:11.534 --> 00:48:15.219
 because he shot this woman in cold blood.
 
 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.461
 He was hanged and buried at
 
 00:48:18.501 --> 00:48:19.282
 the Ackermack Inn.
 
 00:48:19.643 --> 00:48:20.605
 His grave is still there.
 
 00:48:20.625 --> 00:48:21.646
 You could see it from the road.
 
 00:48:21.726 --> 00:48:22.686
 It is private property,
 
 00:48:22.766 --> 00:48:23.527
 so I don't encourage your
 
 00:48:23.547 --> 00:48:24.748
 listeners to go tromping around,
 
 00:48:25.170 --> 00:48:25.990
 but you could see his grave
 
 00:48:26.010 --> 00:48:27.072
 from the road and the house
 
 00:48:27.092 --> 00:48:28.032
 itself is beautiful.
 
 00:48:28.753 --> 00:48:29.795
 Some of it is still original,
 
 00:48:29.815 --> 00:48:31.496
 but it's been restored many, many times.
 
 00:48:32.856 --> 00:48:33.617
 So that said,
 
 00:48:34.097 --> 00:48:36.942
 Emily and Johnny both haunt the Akamak.
 
 00:48:37.262 --> 00:48:39.364
 I have heard of dozens of accounts.
 
 00:48:39.385 --> 00:48:40.166
 You can actually go on
 
 00:48:40.206 --> 00:48:41.768
 YouTube and one of the
 
 00:48:41.827 --> 00:48:42.728
 investigation groups
 
 00:48:43.090 --> 00:48:44.672
 recorded Emily saying, help me.
 
 00:48:45.472 --> 00:48:46.675
 So here's this woman who
 
 00:48:46.715 --> 00:48:47.835
 didn't want to marry this man,
 
 00:48:48.938 --> 00:48:50.420
 somehow stuck with him forever.
 
 00:48:51.536 --> 00:48:52.117
 Forever.
 
 00:48:52.217 --> 00:48:53.938
 Both of their spirits, as far as I know,
 
 00:48:54.018 --> 00:48:54.519
 are still there.
 
 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:55.300
 Now the building was just
 
 00:48:55.380 --> 00:48:56.561
 very recently purchased.
 
 00:48:57.242 --> 00:48:59.405
 It hasn't been reopened as anything yet,
 
 00:48:59.606 --> 00:49:00.987
 but somebody bought it just
 
 00:49:01.027 --> 00:49:01.889
 in the past few months.
 
 00:49:03.130 --> 00:49:03.931
 It was, yeah, right?
 
 00:49:04.231 --> 00:49:06.355
 It was empty for like seven
 
 00:49:06.375 --> 00:49:06.956
 or eight years.
 
 00:49:07.036 --> 00:49:07.797
 It just sat there.
 
 00:49:08.617 --> 00:49:09.958
 So it's kind of sad,
 
 00:49:10.018 --> 00:49:12.458
 but so many of the staff,
 
 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.099
 previous patrons have all reported seeing,
 
 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.581
 hearing, sensing Johnny and Emily.
 
 00:49:17.601 --> 00:49:18.702
 There are other ghosts there too.
 
 00:49:18.722 --> 00:49:19.541
 There's a cat ghost.
 
 00:49:20.342 --> 00:49:21.063
 People say that you could
 
 00:49:21.083 --> 00:49:22.262
 see it jump up on a table
 
 00:49:22.402 --> 00:49:23.222
 and literally knock
 
 00:49:23.242 --> 00:49:24.043
 something down and then go
 
 00:49:24.063 --> 00:49:25.083
 about his cat business.
 
 00:49:26.144 --> 00:49:28.445
 So they have a naughty cat, I guess,
 
 00:49:28.545 --> 00:49:29.565
 at the Ackermack Inn.
 
 00:49:30.706 --> 00:49:31.047
 Cats,
 
 00:49:31.347 --> 00:49:32.867
 animal spirits are fascinating to me.
 
 00:49:32.887 --> 00:49:33.027
 Like,
 
 00:49:33.047 --> 00:49:34.588
 why would they choose to stick around?
 
 00:49:34.648 --> 00:49:35.969
 Is this just a place they like to be?
 
 00:49:36.860 --> 00:49:38.021
 But they have a cat ghost
 
 00:49:38.041 --> 00:49:39.101
 there that does cat stuff.
 
 00:49:39.481 --> 00:49:40.802
 They have the ghost of a
 
 00:49:41.164 --> 00:49:42.244
 Confederate soldier there
 
 00:49:42.724 --> 00:49:45.126
 who was a traitor and was
 
 00:49:45.327 --> 00:49:47.748
 trying to abscond from the
 
 00:49:47.849 --> 00:49:50.030
 army and got shot and his
 
 00:49:50.070 --> 00:49:51.931
 body was left there.
 
 00:49:51.972 --> 00:49:52.853
 So there's all kinds of
 
 00:49:52.913 --> 00:49:54.813
 fascinating stories around the Acomac,
 
 00:49:55.155 --> 00:49:56.315
 but Johnny and Emily is
 
 00:49:56.356 --> 00:49:58.858
 kind of the ultimate ghost story tragedy.
 
 00:50:00.338 --> 00:50:01.079
 She didn't want to be with
 
 00:50:01.099 --> 00:50:02.260
 him in life and ended up
 
 00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:04.521
 with him in the afterlife
 
 00:50:04.561 --> 00:50:05.862
 for at least a hundred years now,
 
 00:50:05.882 --> 00:50:06.403
 maybe more.
 
 00:50:07.269 --> 00:50:07.469
 Yeah,
 
 00:50:07.510 --> 00:50:09.132
 my sister used to work at the ACMAC
 
 00:50:09.512 --> 00:50:10.594
 when they had, you know,
 
 00:50:10.614 --> 00:50:11.675
 it was a restaurant and
 
 00:50:12.896 --> 00:50:14.137
 she's not necessarily open
 
 00:50:14.177 --> 00:50:15.259
 into the spirit stuff,
 
 00:50:15.278 --> 00:50:16.018
 but she definitely said
 
 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:17.521
 that there was stuff happening there.
 
 00:50:17.581 --> 00:50:19.222
 And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah.
 
 00:50:19.777 --> 00:50:20.257
 Yeah.
 
 00:50:20.297 --> 00:50:21.438
 Well, so wrapping up here,
 
 00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:23.119
 I would love to hear maybe
 
 00:50:23.139 --> 00:50:23.940
 two things from you.
 
 00:50:24.019 --> 00:50:25.380
 So if there are listeners
 
 00:50:25.420 --> 00:50:27.141
 that maybe are just
 
 00:50:27.161 --> 00:50:28.001
 starting out in this and
 
 00:50:28.021 --> 00:50:29.422
 are kind of a little bit weary,
 
 00:50:29.501 --> 00:50:30.661
 what advice do you have for
 
 00:50:30.722 --> 00:50:31.382
 anyone approaching
 
 00:50:31.442 --> 00:50:33.422
 experiences like this with
 
 00:50:33.523 --> 00:50:34.744
 openness rather than fear?
 
 00:50:34.983 --> 00:50:36.264
 And can you then tell us a
 
 00:50:36.324 --> 00:50:38.364
 little bit about your ghost
 
 00:50:38.505 --> 00:50:40.786
 tours and storytelling YouTube channel?
 
 00:50:41.755 --> 00:50:42.835
 Yes.
 
 00:50:43.394 --> 00:50:44.596
 So if you're approaching this,
 
 00:50:44.795 --> 00:50:48.416
 my best advice is not to believe media.
 
 00:50:49.657 --> 00:50:51.056
 My best advice is, I mean,
 
 00:50:51.177 --> 00:50:52.097
 even if you love scary
 
 00:50:52.157 --> 00:50:53.918
 movies and you love Halloween,
 
 00:50:54.217 --> 00:50:54.617
 first of all,
 
 00:50:54.637 --> 00:50:55.798
 ghosts are a year round thing.
 
 00:50:55.818 --> 00:50:56.719
 They don't just appear on
 
 00:50:56.759 --> 00:50:57.559
 October thirty first.
 
 00:50:58.518 --> 00:51:00.320
 That is that is simply about
 
 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:01.460
 a bill of goods you've been sold.
 
 00:51:03.278 --> 00:51:04.579
 is to approach it with the
 
 00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:06.019
 same kind of openness that
 
 00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.420
 you would approach meeting anybody else.
 
 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:10.242
 Understand that they're
 
 00:51:10.262 --> 00:51:11.101
 probably doing their best
 
 00:51:11.121 --> 00:51:12.262
 to communicate with you.
 
 00:51:12.842 --> 00:51:14.963
 And just sometimes patience
 
 00:51:15.063 --> 00:51:17.784
 and empathy are required,
 
 00:51:17.804 --> 00:51:19.505
 just like with anybody else
 
 00:51:19.545 --> 00:51:20.085
 that you meet.
 
 00:51:20.204 --> 00:51:21.146
 Patience and empathy are
 
 00:51:21.226 --> 00:51:22.226
 always a good policy.
 
 00:51:23.172 --> 00:51:24.773
 And I do have a channel.
 
 00:51:24.793 --> 00:51:26.335
 It's called Listen to Me in the Dark.
 
 00:51:27.014 --> 00:51:28.416
 And yes,
 
 00:51:28.436 --> 00:51:29.797
 it's supposed to be cheeky because
 
 00:51:30.338 --> 00:51:31.079
 everybody likes to hear a
 
 00:51:31.099 --> 00:51:31.619
 ghost story around a
 
 00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:33.460
 campfire or a fireplace.
 
 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:35.081
 I mean, I'm no exception.
 
 00:51:35.702 --> 00:51:37.023
 My ghost story life started
 
 00:51:37.063 --> 00:51:37.983
 on Halloween night with my
 
 00:51:38.025 --> 00:51:39.925
 dad in the dark driving around, right?
 
 00:51:40.467 --> 00:51:42.307
 But that said,
 
 00:51:42.407 --> 00:51:44.170
 I collect local stories and
 
 00:51:44.349 --> 00:51:47.331
 I condense them into like micro stories.
 
 00:51:47.693 --> 00:51:49.353
 So each one is less than a minute.
 
 00:51:49.927 --> 00:51:51.467
 And they are all stories
 
 00:51:51.507 --> 00:51:53.387
 that I've collected from real people.
 
 00:51:53.849 --> 00:51:55.409
 And I usually list the place,
 
 00:51:55.489 --> 00:51:57.670
 but I don't ever list the person's name.
 
 00:51:58.429 --> 00:52:00.630
 So I collect them anonymously.
 
 00:52:00.670 --> 00:52:01.972
 They're all from Pennsylvania,
 
 00:52:02.052 --> 00:52:03.831
 and they are all real.
 
 00:52:03.972 --> 00:52:05.333
 They were real to the person
 
 00:52:05.353 --> 00:52:07.333
 who experienced them.
 
 00:52:07.393 --> 00:52:08.094
 I love that.
 
 00:52:08.213 --> 00:52:08.733
 I love it.
 
 00:52:08.753 --> 00:52:09.494
 So can you tell us about
 
 00:52:09.514 --> 00:52:10.735
 your ghost tours as well?
 
 00:52:11.545 --> 00:52:12.206
 Absolutely.
 
 00:52:12.947 --> 00:52:14.989
 My website is hauntedpa.online,
 
 00:52:15.271 --> 00:52:17.333
 which is a new kind of website, right?
 
 00:52:17.413 --> 00:52:20.197
 But I do ghost tours in York, PA,
 
 00:52:20.757 --> 00:52:24.981
 and I run them April through November,
 
 00:52:26.204 --> 00:52:28.085
 mostly on Fridays and Saturday nights.
 
 00:52:28.485 --> 00:52:30.168
 I do have one ASL-friendly
 
 00:52:30.208 --> 00:52:31.389
 tour coming up in October.
 
 00:52:32.577 --> 00:52:33.619
 And, um,
 
 00:52:33.659 --> 00:52:34.838
 we do have some special nights
 
 00:52:34.858 --> 00:52:35.559
 like coming up soon.
 
 00:52:35.619 --> 00:52:36.719
 I have one that I'm bringing
 
 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:37.519
 along a paranormal
 
 00:52:37.539 --> 00:52:39.101
 investigator who will talk
 
 00:52:39.221 --> 00:52:40.702
 as well as me about some of
 
 00:52:40.722 --> 00:52:41.742
 the buildings and like
 
 00:52:41.802 --> 00:52:42.862
 equipment that they use.
 
 00:52:43.043 --> 00:52:43.702
 Um,
 
 00:52:43.722 --> 00:52:45.224
 we're overlapping with the downtown
 
 00:52:45.264 --> 00:52:45.963
 zombie walk,
 
 00:52:46.083 --> 00:52:47.485
 so we're going to have a zombie night.
 
 00:52:47.764 --> 00:52:48.565
 Uh, yeah.
 
 00:52:48.726 --> 00:52:50.126
 So I try to do some special things.
 
 00:52:50.146 --> 00:52:51.706
 I also do a girl's night out ghost tour,
 
 00:52:51.726 --> 00:52:53.208
 which is totally different program.
 
 00:52:53.688 --> 00:52:53.807
 Um,
 
 00:52:53.907 --> 00:52:55.829
 I tell women's history from the town as
 
 00:52:55.909 --> 00:52:56.989
 well as about the female
 
 00:52:57.028 --> 00:52:58.409
 hauntings specifically.
 
 00:52:58.985 --> 00:53:01.208
 So all the way tours are on
 
 00:53:01.248 --> 00:53:04.193
 my website and people are welcome.
 
 00:53:04.373 --> 00:53:04.775
 Travel,
 
 00:53:04.934 --> 00:53:06.978
 stay at your town and go to Firefly
 
 00:53:06.998 --> 00:53:07.900
 Hall and get a massage and
 
 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:09.842
 then come for a walk with me in the dark.
 
 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:11.219
 Absolutely.
 
 00:53:11.380 --> 00:53:11.860
 Awesome.
 
 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:14.541
 And I know that for those of you again,
 
 00:53:14.581 --> 00:53:14.900
 listening,
 
 00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:15.981
 if you have any other questions
 
 00:53:16.021 --> 00:53:17.681
 to reach out to Rissa on social media,
 
 00:53:17.802 --> 00:53:18.722
 check her website out,
 
 00:53:18.762 --> 00:53:19.842
 check out our YouTube channel.
 
 00:53:19.882 --> 00:53:20.543
 I will share all the
 
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Key Highlights from Episode 81 of the Mind Body Detox Podcast with Kara Lovehart and Rissa Miller

• Exploring Ghosts, Spirits, and Energy Imprints: Kara Lovehart, Mind-Body Psychic Medium, and guest Rissa Miller dive into how spirits and energy imprints can influence physical spaces.
• Why Some Spirits Linger: Insightful discussion on why certain spirits remain attached to places and how these lingering energies can affect the present.
• Energy Imprints in Spaces and Places: Learn how emotional or traumatic events leave energetic imprints in environments, influencing those who encounter them.
• Respectful Connection with Lost Souls: Kara and Rissa provide compassionate ways to connect with and assist spirits in moving on, offering peace to both the living and the departed.
• Overcoming Fear of Spirits: Practical guidance on addressing fear and engaging with the spiritual world healthily and respectfully.
• Kara’s Experiences as a Psychic Medium: Personal stories from Kara on spirit encounters and lessons learned from working with energies from the other side.
• Myths and Realities of Ghost Stories: Rissa shares historical insights and true stories from her ghost tours, demystifying common myths about hauntings and spirit encounters.

This episode is packed with intriguing stories and practical advice for anyone curious about the spiritual realm, energy imprints, and how to engage with the unseen world in a mindful way.